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Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook
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- markwaldron 10y agoGood to see two of the more influential CEO's having globally positive 10 year plans.
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoIs Zuckerberg really all that influential? Or are people just wiping his bottom because he happens to be making money (for now)?
- adrianlmm 10y ago>Is Zuckerberg really all that influential? Yes.
- mtgx 10y agoIf he actually going to deliver "Internet access" with those drones, or is this another one of his shenanigans trying to force-feed people Facebook as the "Internet" in poor countries?
- samsonradu 10y agoNot sure why you were downvoted. I think for the average, uneducated internet consumer facebook is kind of becoming a one-stop shop.
- chrisdbaldwin 10y agoExactly, and I've started to look at the bright side of Facebook's "centralization" of the internet: it allows niche communities (like Hacker News) that aren't mainstream to thrive again. The end of the Eternal September.
- mpbm 10y agoMaybe all those ignorant poor people will just use the free Facebook-only internet to coordinate long enough to build their own infrastructure. Maybe a half dozen other providers will build planes and fly them over those ignorant poor people, providing competitive options. Maybe someone will invent mind-to-mind links.
- firasd 10y agoOn Free Basics: "We’ve learned a lot about how we need to interact with governments and the political system and regulators, and build support in order to have these things work. And I think we’ll take those lessons forward on the future work we’re doing in Free Basics, which by the way is continuing to roll out around the world. One day, once we’ve shown that it’s a successful program around the world, I hope that we’ll get another chance to come back to India and offer it there, too." Come on, Mark... your stubbornness sometimes works well in making product decisions, but isn't working well in this strategic context. Free Basics rolled out in all these other countries by interacting with 'the political system', regulators, governments (not to mention telecoms.) But it was grassroots activists who stopped you in India. And you still haven't learned that what we want is not better management of regulators, but net neutrality. It blows my mind. It is exhausting enough to have to oppose telecom networks and other industries in their efforts to turn the Internet into Cable TV (by creating different tiers and segments of the internet), and meanwhile every few months Mark wants to lunge into the conversation with this nonsense. Facebook should be helping preserve net neutrality worldwide, not putting their energy and resources into undermining it. India wants the same Internet that Mark used to create Facebook in his Harvard dorm room. Accept nothing less.
- blowski 10y agoWhile I want them to, I don't know why they should. What's in it for them?
- firasd 10y agoMost U.S. tech companies were strong proponents of the FCC's net neutrality regulations because they don't want telecom networks to intervene between them and their users by segmenting access based on pricing or speed. Although it seems once you are as successful as Facebook (and now, Netflix) you start thinking less of "what if the ISP wants to rip me off by differentiating access to my app?" and more like "how can I partner with the ISP to get an advantage by differentiating access to my app?"
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- johansch 10y agoThe contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.
- dingaling 10y agoBear in mind that this might still be Mr Zuckerberg's "Paypal Phase"; making his fortune by means of a generally-reviled yet enormously-used service to enable him to personally pivot to Great Human Projects once he casts it off. Mr Musk wasn't known for wanting to save humanity in that phase of his life.
- n72 10y agoOoh, that 'might' is huuuuuuge.
- johansch 10y agoMusk made $165M from Paypal. Google tells me Zuck's current net worth is $35B. Sure, this might be inexact, but the latter number is about 200 times larger than the first.
- freyr 10y agoExcept his net worth far exceeds that which is required to move from PayPal phase to Great Human Projects phase. I think you're giving him way too much credit. He wants to spread a platform across the globe that "connects" people by isolating them in front of their screens/VR goggles. That's the grand vision in a nutshell.
- stepanhruda 10y agoSo many times this.
- xiaoma 10y agoWhat does that even mean?
- uptown 10y agoI'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you begin connecting groups that had previously been separated by geography but can now interface with one-another. I think Mark's vision for a more-connected world is inevitable -- arguably, it's something that's been happening for all time, albeit perhaps not at the pace we see today, as digital connectivity provides the ability to connect distant groups far easier than physical connectivity ever allowed. I just hope the outcome is a net positive for humanity.
- cocktailpeanuts 10y agoWell it will happen regardless of whether Facebook does it or not. Also it won't just be Facebook, there are many other companies (and future companies) that will increasingly make the world more connected. That's been the trend ever since the beginning of human history so I doubt it will stop. So from FB's point of view, they probably don't want to live in a world where someone else makes the world a more connected place than them.
- mattmcknight 10y agoTyler Cowen made some good points on this in terms of the general spread of bad mood, where a negative interpretation of the situation in one country can spread to others where it does not really apply.[1] I think there is also evidence of a more rapid spread of bad ideas, such as extremist views that can inspire individuals to acts of violence. The impact of connectedness on enabling international crime is also clear, and we've moved from email scams to ransomware. It seems that your idea for the increase in opportunities for interpersonal conflict would be an addition to this list of downsides, particularly as the quality of translation services increases. [1]http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-18/bad-moods-are-the-other-global-migration-problem http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-18/bad-moods-...
- bdrool 10y ago
- leakybit 10y agoZuckerberg in 10 years will be the Internets public enemy #1. The collection of tubes in which we refer to as the Internet, will eventual converge into a single tube leading straight into Mr. Zuckerbergs rectum, in which will give him the ability to feed us all his shit.
- dang 10y agoYou've posted several uncivil, unsubstantive, and/or inflammatory comments to Hacker News. We ban accounts that do that, so please don't do that. Instead, please read what we're looking for on this site, and abide by the rules. That means posting civilly and substantively, or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- untilHellbanned 10y agoTangent, but I'm fairly confident that voting here is often done less civilly than commenting. Blind upvoting of top comments, upvoting of shallowly positive comments, and downvoting of negative comments that are highly accurate but just not want people want to read, are a real problem here. It leads to rage commenting. It leads to groupthink. All sorts of undesirable consequences. So in HN's hierarchy of needs, I'd like to see more work on voting algos.
- n72 10y agoSpread FB to everyone so he can deliver news in headlines absent of nuance with the effect of reinforcing existing held beliefs, strengthening conspiracy theories, and increasing polarization and radicalism. Thanks Mark! Glad your hot or not prank worked out so well for you.
- JayHost 10y agoIs facebook really not just an extension of Hot or Not. It started as a place for dudes to see if girls had boyfriends. Now, it's all about using people's baby pictures to sell advertisements. I don't know why women would want to use a service that is so inherently anti-woman.
- smokeyj 10y agoSomething about Zuck just seems inauthentic and robotic. Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece, or maybe it's the incessant corporate speak. I suspect the reality is Zuck is a strong CEO and weak innovator. Facebook is established and boring, and now all that's left is to entrench the world with proprietary Zuckernet. I strongly suspect Zuck will become the characterized depiction of the robber baron, but that's just my unfounded prediction.
- Swizec 10y ago> Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece I wouldn't be surprised if everything he writes went through 10 layers of PR and lawyer approval and departments making sure that it absolutely certainly doesn't offend anyone, cause any potential for lawsuits, doesn't divulge off-brand information, or hints at things that haven't been approved by the rest of the company. "Corporate speak" is shorthand for that ^. It happens when you're the face of a big company.
- cthulhujr 10y agoThe Tesla blog, Elon's contribution in particular, seems quite authentic. I wonder how many eyes see his work before it's published to the world. Maybe it's 10 layers of lawyers and PR, but the posts sure do maintain a strong level of facts and direct language. Would that be similar on his Twitter account? It seems extremely relaxed.
- elorant 10y agoI believe the problem with Mark lies in the fact that to many of us he hasn’t build anything substantial. Sure, from a technical point of view Facebook is spectacular. Other than that it’s a boring place adding no value whatsoever to the Internet. There’s nothing innovative about it. He’s isn’t solving any kind of problem. Compared to other giants of our industry he seems dull and irrelevant. And so does his vision.
- vecter 10y agoFacebook adds "no value whatsoever"? One billion people every day would disagree with you. Facebook is the primary method that billions of people across the world use to stay in touch with family and friends. It's one of the most important pieces of my life and something I come back to almost every single day. And no, I've never worked there nor will I ever. I don't own a single share of FB stock. I'm just a user who appreciates the value of what he uses, or at the very least, can appreciate the value that other people get out of a product that I myself may never use.
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoI'm not entirely convinced FB will exist in any significant form in 10 years.
- Yhippa 10y agoWhy do you think that? I'm trying hard to think of something that would make it go the way of Friendster.
- gooseus 10y agoI had an idea the other day of creating a three-fold informational website. 1. How to backup your Facebook content and delete your account. 2. How to use non-Facebook services to share photos, organize events and talk to friends. 3. How to open an online trading account and purchase PUT options against FB. In my delusion of grandeur I imagined this site going viral with the idea that if a critical mass of users decided to follow through on those steps then Facebook's network effect and user base would crumble and their stock price would plummet. All that lost stock value would flow directly into the hands of the users that went through step 3... a legitimate capitalistic redistribution of wealth and a new opportunity for the world to define social networking is done. I still kind of have stars in my eyes when I talk about it.
- RodgerTheGreat 10y agoI think the biggest challenge in doing something like this and making an impact is a call to action. Some users strongly dislike Facebook and already have the motivation necessary to execute on something like this if you made the process easy. I suspect, however, that most Facebook users are either indifferent or genuinely enjoy the service, and it will be difficult to convince these people they should cease using Facebook. Citing privacy concerns or some of Facebook's well-publicized unethical behavior seems to me like it would mainly preach to the choir. So how do you sell this?
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- perseusprime11 10y agoI am not able to buy into his 10 year vision without feeling like things are getting muddled between charity and FB's business model.
- wahsd 10y agoBring facebook to everyone and replace the internet. He said he was going to do it years ago and here we go, he's going to do it; a proprietary, walled internet in which you are only allowed to speak and think liberal authoritarian approved things. Facebook wants to know, are you thinking the right things?
- Mendenhall 10y agoFacebook to me just looks like a service that wants to build as big of a walled garden as it can and then feed the inhabitants whatever it wants to further its agenda. Then they just speak of it in terms of "helping" everyone.
- bedhead 10y agoOf all the household name tech leaders (Brin, Bezos, Musk, Jobs, etc), Zuckerberg really does strike me as the least substantial and most likely to be inauthentic. Obviously this is just a personal opinion but Facebook seems so laughably inconsequential compared to all of the companies that have made these other founders rich and famous. Apple invents incredible stuff. Google has organized the world's information in astounding ways. Musk is trying to change how energy is consumed (clown show aside). Facebook sells ads based on viral videos of cats falling off furniture and provides yet another forum for people to showcase their own vanity. It's not surprising to me that this is a guy who right before Facebook, created a website to compete with "Hot or Not".
- mpbm 10y agoYou're underestimating how highly people value their own vanity. All Narcissus needed was a puddle.
- tracker1 10y agoProdigy Online - Facebook 2026 Edition.
- cityzen 10y agoNothing is free, not even the free internet you get from that massive, public, for-profit advertising platform called Facebook.