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CIA’s Database of Protests and Protesters and a Pentagon Riot
- Faust1985 10y agoIts for the best, if the protesters had completed the exercism ritual, Iog Sothoth would have been free to roam the world once more
- wutangson1 10y agoI feel ya
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- justratsinacoat 10y ago>Iog Sothoth It's the Pentagon, so surely you mean Shub-Internet http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/Shub-Internet.html http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/Shub-Internet.html
- Sacho 10y agoThe article's title is clickbait - the CIA database didn't "lead" to the Pentagon Riot. As claimed by the article, the Pentagon Riot was an event precipitated by a protest which the CIA database had logged. The article alleges that this information could have been used to de-escalate the protest or tailor the response to it, but there's no causal link between the CIA database's existence and the protest happening.
- JohnStrange 10y agoOut of curiosity, what's the official perspective anyway? Is the CIA legally entitled to conduct such activities within US borders? In some countries like Germany the foreign intelligence agency is not allowed to gather intelligence in their own country, only a separate counter-intelligence agency may, so I'm wondering whether this is the same in the US or not. Theoretically speaking, of course.
- s_q_b 10y agoThe CIA's statutory mandate is limited to foreign intelligence. Virtually everything the CIA does within US borders is illegal.
- mcherm 10y agoIt is only your opinion that those actions are illegal. They would only be ACTUALLY illegal if a court ruled them to be illegal, but litigating these activities would be a threat to national security so a court must not review them. Since they cannot be ruled illegal, the activities are therefore fully legal. Besides, some official once wrote up a highly twisted set of definitions that claimed it was legal, and that is sufficient justification. Now shut up and quit griping about this obsolete document called "the constitution". . . . (In case it wasn't obvious...) </scarcasm>
- pessimizer 10y agoIt's been ruled legal to target Americans if they drive a Japanese car, or have ever watched a movie with subtitles.
- dalke 10y agoThe Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 added the exception for Americans who are hard of hearing and watch American-made movies subtitled in English.
- matt_wulfeck 10y agoDo you have any case law that backs this up?
- SideburnsOfDoom 10y ago> the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam ... attempted to levitate the Pentagon. In what part did they actually mean to literally mean to "levitiate" the pentagon - to raise it into the air by magical means. And how much of it was to cause levity i.e. "treat a serious thing in a light way with humour or lack of due respect", and raise consciousness, poke fun at the military and generally stir things up?
- Confiks 10y agoIn a "magic rite" where they did "exorcize the Spirits of murder, violence & creephood". It was an "EXORGASM!" http://historiadiscordia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/19671021-handbill-instructions_levitation-the_pentagon-ed_sanders.jpg http://historiadiscordia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1...
- JonnieCache 10y ago>And how much of it was to cause levity This seems highly likely to me. Having interacted with a fair few people like this, it's easy to underestimate how much they see such occult practices in terms of irony and poetic language. They are most assuredly not making a naive attempt at doing what physicists do, which is the tempting assumption. (Sometimes it's correct of course.) The emphasis in "magic words" is usually more on the words than the magic.
- jchrisa 10y agoI find this talk very inspiring re: the power of poetry. http://longnow.org/seminars/02005/jan/14/religious-war-in-light-of-the-infinite-game/ http://longnow.org/seminars/02005/jan/14/religious-war-in-li...
- Bartweiss 10y agoThere's definitely a sense of humor to efforts like this - a realization that the whole thing is so absurd that it's worth going all the way to impossibility. When you're setting out to oppose bureaucracy and militarism, poetry and magical techniques make a satisfying thematic counter; you can adopt them for that purpose without any real belief that they work.
- kstenerud 10y agoCan't even read it. The contrast is terrible.
- moron4hire 10y agoI was expecting something like grey text on a black background from this comment, but don't pay attention to him, the contrast is fine.
- erlehmann_ 10y agoThe article is mostly light gray text on white background, really hard to read for me as well.
- kafkaesq 10y agoWhich is exactly their intent, of course. You don't think they give out documents that look like they went through the wash in the back pocket of somebody's spoiled trousers, then photocopied 10x on antique equipment, not to mention mislabeled, stamped-over, etc, in response to FOIA requests without a reason?
- fhood 10y agoOh my stars, was the CIA doing something questionable again. How shocking. The US govt so rarely overreacts to imaginary threats by spying on its citizens.