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No, I absolutely know that I would not work better that way, but my point is, everyone around me is forced to wake up at the crack of dawn and get their ass to

by dpcan 17y ago

No, I absolutely know that I would not work better that way, but my point is, everyone around me is forced to wake up at the crack of dawn and get their ass to work. I have kids in school, and every year the school changes things around to accommodate some consultant's suggestions regarding grades, start times, recesses, how they learn to read, how they learn math, etc. Every damn year!! Kids are getting screwed left and right because of studies like this. Last year, my oldest was using one method to learn to read, this year it's something new. And a new way of learning math too. They had an assembly for us parents explaining to us that they were preparing kids for "jobs that don't exist yet". And that they didn't know if these methods were perfect, but they were based on studies, so.... Kids just end up confused. This hits a nerve with me. I hate seeing this stuff happen because of studies. I hate when people like you justify stuff like this when you aren't living in it. Also, how do parents get their kids to school at 10am? How? School needs to start when work starts so we can drop them off on our way. This stuff screws up kids and will make adjusting to the real world much harder.

scott_s 17y ago
Are there no buses where you are? During my entire time in public school, I got there in one of three ways: took the bus, I got a ride with my older brother, or I drove myself. Also keep in mind this would apply to high school students, not elementary school kids. And this isn't a single study, or even a new result. I've known this about teenagers for a while.
- dpcan 17y ago
  No. In fact, buses don't go far enough out in some places here, and they don't stop close enough. Plus, I believe they can't afford to run all their buses anymore. I didn't have my own car until I was a senior in high school. I got dropped off every day (12 years ago now.) Where we are people live far enough from the school that it's too far too walk, but it's just as far to walk to catch a bus. Getting kids home from school is equally as difficult but most kids are forced to take the long treks by foot or bike. And in the winter, we sometimes get 3+ feet of snow at a time. It's a big world, I know I shouldn't have started this argument here. I'm frustrated about the education my own kids are getting, and I hate seeing so many people agree with studies that cause sweeping changes in schools. I'll read the article again. I'm pretty sure I read through it the first time with my mind frustrated with this headline anyway.
anigbrowl 17y ago
In the real world, you can find jobs that allow you to work when you are most productive. Some professions require rising early - subway stations in my area open between 5 and 6am, for example, and presumably the people who work there don't drop their kids off at school on the way to work. Other professions which are not customer-facing may not depend on starting at a particular time at all, but simply ensuring that projects are completed by a certain date. Like a lot of HNers, I am more productive in the afternoon and evening hours than I am in the morning, not to mention more pleasant to be around. Still other professions require people to work late when most people would rather be relaxing. Bartending springs to mind, as do many others. There's no law of nature or man that says all work must begin at 9 and end at 6. In fact, staggering arrival times and the like might reduce traffic and transit bottlenecks and lead to an increase in overall productivity. I fully understand that some people are early risers and get the most work done by turning up very early and zipping through stuff before the phones start ringing. Good on them! I see no reason why late risers should not enjoy the same freedom to maximize their productivity.

by dpcan 17y ago

scott_s 17y ago

Are there no buses where you are? During my entire time in public school, I got there in one of three ways: took the bus, I got a ride with my older brother, or I drove myself. Also keep in mind this would apply to high school students, not elementary school kids. And this isn't a single study, or even a new result. I've known this about teenagers for a while.

dpcan 17y ago
No. In fact, buses don't go far enough out in some places here, and they don't stop close enough. Plus, I believe they can't afford to run all their buses anymore. I didn't have my own car until I was a senior in high school. I got dropped off every day (12 years ago now.) Where we are people live far enough from the school that it's too far too walk, but it's just as far to walk to catch a bus. Getting kids home from school is equally as difficult but most kids are forced to take the long treks by foot or bike. And in the winter, we sometimes get 3+ feet of snow at a time. It's a big world, I know I shouldn't have started this argument here. I'm frustrated about the education my own kids are getting, and I hate seeing so many people agree with studies that cause sweeping changes in schools. I'll read the article again. I'm pretty sure I read through it the first time with my mind frustrated with this headline anyway.

anigbrowl 17y ago

In the real world, you can find jobs that allow you to work when you are most productive. Some professions require rising early - subway stations in my area open between 5 and 6am, for example, and presumably the people who work there don't drop their kids off at school on the way to work. Other professions which are not customer-facing may not depend on starting at a particular time at all, but simply ensuring that projects are completed by a certain date. Like a lot of HNers, I am more productive in the afternoon and evening hours than I am in the morning, not to mention more pleasant to be around. Still other professions require people to work late when most people would rather be relaxing. Bartending springs to mind, as do many others. There's no law of nature or man that says all work must begin at 9 and end at 6. In fact, staggering arrival times and the like might reduce traffic and transit bottlenecks and lead to an increase in overall productivity. I fully understand that some people are early risers and get the most work done by turning up very early and zipping through stuff before the phones start ringing. Good on them! I see no reason why late risers should not enjoy the same freedom to maximize their productivity.