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yes, let's get rid of the FDA too. The Onus is on customers to inform themselves of the quality and origin of their food. Buyer Beware baby!

nilved 10y ago
I am glad we're in agreement.
- loup-vaillant 10y ago
  You know, if we're going to go full Libertarian on this issue, a number of people is going to die. They will buy poison and ingest it because they didn't properly inform themselves. Others are going to trust the ads, then die all the same. When people are sick of dying, some form of regulation, or at least a trusted communication channel, will likely take root. In the mean time, lots of people are going to die. This is a heavy price. So I wonder: is this issue worth all those deaths?
  - thaumasiotes 10y ago
    You know perfectly well that the FDA kills a lot of people already. You need to argue that having it is better than not having it, not that there are undesirable consequences to not having it.
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      It's not either/or, if you're honest about the issue you can also argue scaling down (or up) some regulations. That said, it's ridiculous to assume that if you do away with enforcing food safety and quality standards things will be peachy. That's not how free market works. You or your kids will likely die of poison. Because quite a lot of entrepreneurs are assholes and the only thing that stands between you and painful death are those regulations. (Don't believe me? Do some shopping on eBay. Or better, go work for a week in a grocery store and see the shit they pull off while still staying within regulations. I'm a chatty person so I quickly make friends with people at stores, and a side benefit of that is that I get told when not to buy meat from them...)
      - thaumasiotes 10y ago
        > the only thing that stands between you and painful death are those regulations Obviously, that is not actually true. Those regulations are a recent phenomenon. But before we had them, very few people suffered painful death from their lack.
        TeMPOraL 10y ago
        Before we had them, the world was much less complex. Think of it this way - regulations allow societies to grow bigger. A village of 100 people can handle everything through interpersonal relations. A town of 10 000 will need a mayor. A country of 10 000 000 requires a government to exist.
    - d0lph 10y ago
      The FDA kills people how?
      - loup-vaillant 10y ago
        Indirectly, by forbidding stuff that could save lives. On the other hand, they also save lives by forbidding stuff that would have killed people. Now the hard problem is to find the sweet spot where you minimised the lives lost by both over- and under-regulation. (In addition to improving the accuracy and efficiency of said regulation.)
- angersock 10y ago
  You can not be serious.

nilved 10y ago

I am glad we're in agreement.

loup-vaillant 10y ago
You know, if we're going to go full Libertarian on this issue, a number of people is going to die. They will buy poison and ingest it because they didn't properly inform themselves. Others are going to trust the ads, then die all the same. When people are sick of dying, some form of regulation, or at least a trusted communication channel, will likely take root. In the mean time, lots of people are going to die. This is a heavy price. So I wonder: is this issue worth all those deaths?
- thaumasiotes 10y ago
  You know perfectly well that the FDA kills a lot of people already. You need to argue that having it is better than not having it, not that there are undesirable consequences to not having it.
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    It's not either/or, if you're honest about the issue you can also argue scaling down (or up) some regulations. That said, it's ridiculous to assume that if you do away with enforcing food safety and quality standards things will be peachy. That's not how free market works. You or your kids will likely die of poison. Because quite a lot of entrepreneurs are assholes and the only thing that stands between you and painful death are those regulations. (Don't believe me? Do some shopping on eBay. Or better, go work for a week in a grocery store and see the shit they pull off while still staying within regulations. I'm a chatty person so I quickly make friends with people at stores, and a side benefit of that is that I get told when not to buy meat from them...)
    - thaumasiotes 10y ago
      > the only thing that stands between you and painful death are those regulations Obviously, that is not actually true. Those regulations are a recent phenomenon. But before we had them, very few people suffered painful death from their lack.
      - TeMPOraL 10y ago
        Before we had them, the world was much less complex. Think of it this way - regulations allow societies to grow bigger. A village of 100 people can handle everything through interpersonal relations. A town of 10 000 will need a mayor. A country of 10 000 000 requires a government to exist.
  - d0lph 10y ago
    The FDA kills people how?
    - loup-vaillant 10y ago
      Indirectly, by forbidding stuff that could save lives. On the other hand, they also save lives by forbidding stuff that would have killed people. Now the hard problem is to find the sweet spot where you minimised the lives lost by both over- and under-regulation. (In addition to improving the accuracy and efficiency of said regulation.)
angersock 10y ago
You can not be serious.