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The Wall? Anti-trade? Believes judges with Muslim or Mexican heritage are incapable of being fair?

• seany 10y ago
  Only the last of those options is really racist imho, but even then it's one of those issues that _might_ have a smidgen of truth in it.
• rsmckinney 10y ago
  Sorry, you are confusing nationalism with racism. For example, there is nothing racist about border security (the wall). In fact without significant border security, a nation ceases to exist.
  • dragonwriter 10y ago
    Nations continue to exist without border security -- and, indeed, without the nation having borders or a state to secure them.
    • jazzyk 10y ago
      I am not being smug, just genuinely curious - can you provide contemporary examples of a major nation without border security?
      • dragonwriter 10y ago
        Major nations, in the modern era of national and supra-national states, tend to either have their own state or dominate a supranational state, and so tend to have border security (which is necessary for an effective state, though less important to a nation.) Of course, several centuries in to the era of the nation-state as a dominant form, lots of people confuse states and nations.
• googlryas 10y ago
  Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala. Is that racist too? Not sure exactly what you mean by anti-trade, and how it relates to racism. Mexican is a nationality, not a race. There are Mexicans of all races, including white(which latinos are classed as, but lets say western european ethnicity too) Islam is a religion, not a race. There are Muslims of all races, including white.
  • Apocryphon 10y ago
    Racism is an overused and abused epithet by both sides. Often, tribalist prejudice crosses across racism, nationalism, ethnocentrism, and religious chauvinism. To avoid these semantic games, let's just call it for what it is at the core: bigotry.
  • dragonwriter 10y ago
    > Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala. Is that racist too? A border wall is (independently of whether it is good policy) not inherently racist. Using racist rhetoric to sell a border wall is, OTOH, racist. > Mexican is a nationality, not a race. I'm not sure its particularly productive to argue that a ancestry-based bigotry is technically distinct from racism because it is based on national origin rather than classical races. > There are Mexicans of all races, including white(which latinos are classed as, but lets say western european ethnicity too) Hispanics/Latinos aren't necessarily White; in theory, Hispanic origin "ethnicity" is orthogonal to "race". OTOH, the way it is usually broken out into statistics reflects the fact that "Hispanic" is the only "ethnicity" used along US "race" categories specifically because it reflects a new basis of quasi-racial exclusion in the US which became important after the classical racial categories were established, which is why the categories broken out are, almost without exception, "White (non-Hispanic)", "Black", "Asian/Pacific Islander", "Native American/Alaskan Native", and "Hispanic" -- while on forms that you fill out its treated as an orthogonal category to race, its really in the common thinking exactly another racial category.
  • pbreit 10y ago
    "Mexico has a massive border wall on its southern border with Guatemala" No it doesn't.