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You'll never have hate without violence. What about America, with its commitment to the rights of the individual (including the right to worship any deities or

You'll never have hate without violence. What about America, with its commitment to the rights of the individual (including the right to worship any deities or none at all)? In this era, Protestants hated Catholics (and vice versa) all the same, but for the most part, they didn't kill each other over it. Compared to the sectarian violence in England in the century preceding the founding of the United States, how can you look at it as anything less than an unqualified success at solving the problem of warring religious factions?

meira 10y ago
> In this era, Protestants hated Catholics (and vice versa) all the same, but for the most part, they didn't kill each other over it It is because both pointed their hatred and violence against a common "enemy". And today we have Black Lives Matter, and the same hatred and violence against them. I would not call this prospectoprospect a success.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > > In this era, Protestants hated Catholics (and vice versa) all the same, but for the most part, they didn't kill each other over it > It is because both pointed their hatred and violence against a common "enemy". I think its more because America had strong cultural traditions about avoiding that drawn from fairly recent experience of several centuries of Protestants and Catholics killing each other all the time over religion. The religious test clause in the base Constitution and the free exercise and establishment clauses in the First Amendment were not added based on abstract concern for freedom of religion, they were there because the wars of religion within Christian Europe weren't as distant and fuzzy a memory then as they are to Americans now.
  - personomas 10y ago
    No, no, no. It's just that the level of hate between Protestants and Catholics is obviously much less than it is from crazy Muslims onto "infidels". The crazy Muslims hate "infidels" and don't repent. Repenting is another important factor. Repenting stops hate from overflowing. When Muslims start killing, is when they're convicted in their hatred and stop repenting. When Americans or someone goes too far, yeah, maybe they throw a fist or something, but then they realize they're out of line and repent.
personomas 10y ago
People can hate without violence, just like you can think about a girl sexually without later jerking off. However, it's a sin either way, with obvious potential consequences (i.e. violence) that will occur more often than zero percent. As such, there is violence in America, it's greater than zero. There's less hate, more wisdom, and more love here, I think, which is why there's less violence here. Anyways, do Protestants really hate Catholics? Or do they just think they're idiots? They just dislike their ideas, traditions, etc., rather then them as individuals? I'm actually not too aware of this relationship, but this would be my guess.

meira 10y ago

> In this era, Protestants hated Catholics (and vice versa) all the same, but for the most part, they didn't kill each other over it It is because both pointed their hatred and violence against a common "enemy". And today we have Black Lives Matter, and the same hatred and violence against them. I would not call this prospectoprospect a success.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> > In this era, Protestants hated Catholics (and vice versa) all the same, but for the most part, they didn't kill each other over it > It is because both pointed their hatred and violence against a common "enemy". I think its more because America had strong cultural traditions about avoiding that drawn from fairly recent experience of several centuries of Protestants and Catholics killing each other all the time over religion. The religious test clause in the base Constitution and the free exercise and establishment clauses in the First Amendment were not added based on abstract concern for freedom of religion, they were there because the wars of religion within Christian Europe weren't as distant and fuzzy a memory then as they are to Americans now.
- personomas 10y ago
  No, no, no. It's just that the level of hate between Protestants and Catholics is obviously much less than it is from crazy Muslims onto "infidels". The crazy Muslims hate "infidels" and don't repent. Repenting is another important factor. Repenting stops hate from overflowing. When Muslims start killing, is when they're convicted in their hatred and stop repenting. When Americans or someone goes too far, yeah, maybe they throw a fist or something, but then they realize they're out of line and repent.

personomas 10y ago

People can hate without violence, just like you can think about a girl sexually without later jerking off. However, it's a sin either way, with obvious potential consequences (i.e. violence) that will occur more often than zero percent. As such, there is violence in America, it's greater than zero. There's less hate, more wisdom, and more love here, I think, which is why there's less violence here. Anyways, do Protestants really hate Catholics? Or do they just think they're idiots? They just dislike their ideas, traditions, etc., rather then them as individuals? I'm actually not too aware of this relationship, but this would be my guess.