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There is nothing new that you say other than, - some unqualified pedantry about the data being from 2001. "Oh yeah, we used to oppress people for eons; they'v

There is nothing new that you say other than, - some unqualified pedantry about the data being from 2001. "Oh yeah, we used to oppress people for eons; they've adapted in the past decade." - The number of fluent English speakers is apparently in the low single digits. Fairly obvious there is a nauseous class system in India, from the NyT article (speaking English gets you a good job ? What kind of society is that ? India is Anglo-Saxon ?). - I don't think India is "country" in the same way as European states are. To be fair to Europe, Belgium today does work today with both Dutch and French. As a cohort of people, EU, is much closer to India, in terms of diversity etc (yes, I looked up the demographics). - If you wish to use the epistemological grounding of a European, you're essentially vindicating my position: you have no understanding of the language/concepts you speak. - Finally, I really don't want to continue this exercise in shallowness (even the narratives are so shallow!). Asking me to answer rhetorical questions hardly amounts to reason. Good luck being a (medieval) WASP clone, and trampling on people's tongues (see, now, that is an interesting narrative).

kartD 10y ago
You've answered nothing I've asked (350M speakers which is 30% of the pop, Belgium uses 2 languages and somehow India isn't a country) and then end with what is at best a racial insult. You're free to have your opinions, but I don't see the point in arguing with you. You clearly can't or won't read or nor argue coherently and hurl pathetic insults.
- ittekimasu 10y ago
  For the sake of posterity, the parent here is not contending that exclusion exists, but is claiming that it is "inevitable" like "manifest destiny". More resources on this ghastly society, - A book which basically arrives at the same conclusion: India is a linguistic apartheid state , https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=PA122&dq=india+linguistic+apartheid&source=bl&ots=cU2vNuorrW&sig=XfLzzwwIWKbx-iXNTaFez6Dsp50&hl=kn&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3rPna_4LOAhVIyGMKHRrADZ8Q6AEIQjAG#v=onepage&q=india%20linguistic%20apartheid&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=... - India ranks in the bottom 73-74 in PISA (while China/Japan/S.Korea are in the top 10; Vietnam in the top-20s). - India's literacy is < 80%, probably because there's no real opportunity even if you're educated (and have the misfortune of not speaking English). - http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-english/ http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-en... I'm surprised there hasn't been a rerun of French revolution by the proletariat; or may be India just doesn't care - that'd explain the colonization.
  - kartD 10y ago
    Yes, I'm sure you believe all of that, consider joining the far-right parties of Europe, you'll find an excellent home for your beliefs and platform
    - ittekimasu 10y ago
      Such linguistic dissonance that you even have your directions wrong ! What's next you'll claim freedom movements are far right ?! Wow such ability to live with lies. Astonishing. I can only hope India goes through "clone wars" for humanity's sake.
  - gammaray9 10y ago
    Nothing is manifest, things change, but what is the optimal strategy for the present ? A question - how many east asian programmers write C/C++/Java programs in Korean, Japanese or Chinese ? And if they do, do they have resources such as stackoverflow and forums in their languages ? What about Spanish, German and French programmers ? Another question - what percentage of a population in any country is engineers ? Is it closer to 90% or 10% in above countries ? Your points about equal access to opportunity are valid, but the assumption that this is responsible for the GDP being low is not in my opinion - there more complex factors. In any case since you are feel this is important (there are relatively few who do), please try to improve the situation in some way, rather than just complain. It is hard. In the first link you sent, read a couple pages down and it explains why even half knowledge of english is critical to capture opportunities as they exist in the present.
    - ittekimasu 10y ago
      I have no stake in the matter; it's fairly obvious I'm speaking to people of the parasitical colonial class (bourgeoisie ?). Your argument is no different from that "rational" @kartD. It's fairly obvious, you don't even know the definition of a "language" is. If you needed an answer, a google search would have done you good ("yes"); asking me to answer rhetorical devices like "ah, but oppression is our only way towards progress!" is stupid. Somehow no Indian has the comprehension to understand why. Considering the same thing repeated ad nauseum, I also sense strong doses of brainwashing, or the Indian state employing a 50-cent army like Mao's men. I hope for India's sake that it is the latter.

kartD 10y ago

You've answered nothing I've asked (350M speakers which is 30% of the pop, Belgium uses 2 languages and somehow India isn't a country) and then end with what is at best a racial insult. You're free to have your opinions, but I don't see the point in arguing with you. You clearly can't or won't read or nor argue coherently and hurl pathetic insults.

ittekimasu 10y ago
For the sake of posterity, the parent here is not contending that exclusion exists, but is claiming that it is "inevitable" like "manifest destiny". More resources on this ghastly society, - A book which basically arrives at the same conclusion: India is a linguistic apartheid state , https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=PA122&dq=india+linguistic+apartheid&source=bl&ots=cU2vNuorrW&sig=XfLzzwwIWKbx-iXNTaFez6Dsp50&hl=kn&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3rPna_4LOAhVIyGMKHRrADZ8Q6AEIQjAG#v=onepage&q=india%20linguistic%20apartheid&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=... - India ranks in the bottom 73-74 in PISA (while China/Japan/S.Korea are in the top 10; Vietnam in the top-20s). - India's literacy is < 80%, probably because there's no real opportunity even if you're educated (and have the misfortune of not speaking English). - http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-english/ http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-en... I'm surprised there hasn't been a rerun of French revolution by the proletariat; or may be India just doesn't care - that'd explain the colonization.
- kartD 10y ago
  Yes, I'm sure you believe all of that, consider joining the far-right parties of Europe, you'll find an excellent home for your beliefs and platform
  - ittekimasu 10y ago
    Such linguistic dissonance that you even have your directions wrong ! What's next you'll claim freedom movements are far right ?! Wow such ability to live with lies. Astonishing. I can only hope India goes through "clone wars" for humanity's sake.
- gammaray9 10y ago
  Nothing is manifest, things change, but what is the optimal strategy for the present ? A question - how many east asian programmers write C/C++/Java programs in Korean, Japanese or Chinese ? And if they do, do they have resources such as stackoverflow and forums in their languages ? What about Spanish, German and French programmers ? Another question - what percentage of a population in any country is engineers ? Is it closer to 90% or 10% in above countries ? Your points about equal access to opportunity are valid, but the assumption that this is responsible for the GDP being low is not in my opinion - there more complex factors. In any case since you are feel this is important (there are relatively few who do), please try to improve the situation in some way, rather than just complain. It is hard. In the first link you sent, read a couple pages down and it explains why even half knowledge of english is critical to capture opportunities as they exist in the present.
  - ittekimasu 10y ago
    I have no stake in the matter; it's fairly obvious I'm speaking to people of the parasitical colonial class (bourgeoisie ?). Your argument is no different from that "rational" @kartD. It's fairly obvious, you don't even know the definition of a "language" is. If you needed an answer, a google search would have done you good ("yes"); asking me to answer rhetorical devices like "ah, but oppression is our only way towards progress!" is stupid. Somehow no Indian has the comprehension to understand why. Considering the same thing repeated ad nauseum, I also sense strong doses of brainwashing, or the Indian state employing a 50-cent army like Mao's men. I hope for India's sake that it is the latter.