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Is he merciful to the Kurds that helps fight IS or is he bombing them? Is he trying to force Germany to punish a comedian? Is he trying to reintroduce death p

Is he merciful to the Kurds that helps fight IS or is he bombing them? Is he trying to force Germany to punish a comedian? Is he trying to reintroduce death penalty? Has he purged more than 2000 judges? Is it reasonable to think he has verified that all of them were bad judges during the two-three last days?

afsina 10y ago
Too much drama? - PKK is killing your soldiers what do you do? This has nothing to do with IS. - Ok, he has a temper and does not have a good sense of humor but please, did you find "that" poem funny? - Oh come on. You know it was not about being bad judges. Though yes, reintroduction of death penalty is a very bad idea. Also things are being done too hastily. All allegations are need to be verified.
- 01923810391 10y ago
  That poem was not meant to be funny, it was a reaction to an earlier attempt by Erdogan to complain about another "insult". The poem was just saying "THIS is what an actual insult looks like". In light of the recent events though it appears that goats have been insulted in the poem, not Erdogan.
  - afsina 10y ago
    Oh you are insulting peoples intelligence here. Playing with words like that does not make it less stupid.
- pluma 10y ago
  Not the OP, but I'm German and I didn't find the poem funny. That wasn't the point of the poem. The poem wasn't the comedy. The comedy was the presentation of the poem. Saying Erdogan has sex with goats isn't funny. It's crude and it's even potentially racist (considering that sounds more like an ethnic slur than a personal insult). But that was the entire point. The poem actually went out of its way to be so appallingly insulting to drive this point home. I don't think the performance was particularly good and I think the same point could have been made in a more tasteful way, but it should be protected as satire and I hope the German courts will rule accordingly (as many lawyers are predicting). The entire point of the performance was a reaction to the ridiculous complaints about the earlier satirical song about Erdogan (which btw was almost entirely factual and only "insulting" because it presented Erdogan unfavourably and ridiculed his eccentricity and blatantly autocratic behaviour). It didn't set out to insult Erdogan, it was explicitly phrased as "That wasn't an insult that is illegal under German law. The following is what an insult that would be illegal under German law would look like". Taking the poem in isolation is intellectually lazy and dishonest. It's like showcasing a replica of Michelangelo's David's penis and saying David is obscene because it's entirely about genitalia.
- unprepare 10y ago
  >he has a temper and does not have a good sense of humor but please, did you find "that" poem funny? solid reasoning behind pursuing a criminal conviction to be sure.
- reitanqild 10y ago
  Upvoted you for being reasonable. Still disagree though. But no, I did not find that poem funny, but the fact that he hasn't got a sense of humour, that turned out to be a bit funny.
- unethical_ban 10y ago
  Do you support freedom of speech?
raandom 10y ago
He fights kurds for their numerous terrorist attacks in TUrkey. If you cant get this.. then I have nothing to say but your words have a deliberate false enforcement of a narrative - a false one. He said.. he will approve dealth penalty if the parliament approves it for the treasoners. Dont try to simplify things and deceive. Even many US states have death penalty. Those judges names where retrived from the coup takers. Read somethings before making an opinion. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-was-well-planned-and-very-nearly-succeeded-say-turkish-officials https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-...
manish_karan 10y ago
Did you forget to READ? let me quote: "judges aligned with the coup had begun calling on associates to adhere to the military’s demands." "At 1am, officials say the police chief the city of Bursa arrested the local army commander, who possessed a 6-page list that included the names of designated judges and military officials who were to be appointed to various positions in the bureaucracy in the aftermath of the coup. Other pro-coup soldiers possessed lists of secure telephone lines to receive orders." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-was-well-planned-and-very-nearly-succeeded-say-turkish-officials https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-...

afsina 10y ago

Too much drama? - PKK is killing your soldiers what do you do? This has nothing to do with IS. - Ok, he has a temper and does not have a good sense of humor but please, did you find "that" poem funny? - Oh come on. You know it was not about being bad judges. Though yes, reintroduction of death penalty is a very bad idea. Also things are being done too hastily. All allegations are need to be verified.

01923810391 10y ago
That poem was not meant to be funny, it was a reaction to an earlier attempt by Erdogan to complain about another "insult". The poem was just saying "THIS is what an actual insult looks like". In light of the recent events though it appears that goats have been insulted in the poem, not Erdogan.
- afsina 10y ago
  Oh you are insulting peoples intelligence here. Playing with words like that does not make it less stupid.
pluma 10y ago
Not the OP, but I'm German and I didn't find the poem funny. That wasn't the point of the poem. The poem wasn't the comedy. The comedy was the presentation of the poem. Saying Erdogan has sex with goats isn't funny. It's crude and it's even potentially racist (considering that sounds more like an ethnic slur than a personal insult). But that was the entire point. The poem actually went out of its way to be so appallingly insulting to drive this point home. I don't think the performance was particularly good and I think the same point could have been made in a more tasteful way, but it should be protected as satire and I hope the German courts will rule accordingly (as many lawyers are predicting). The entire point of the performance was a reaction to the ridiculous complaints about the earlier satirical song about Erdogan (which btw was almost entirely factual and only "insulting" because it presented Erdogan unfavourably and ridiculed his eccentricity and blatantly autocratic behaviour). It didn't set out to insult Erdogan, it was explicitly phrased as "That wasn't an insult that is illegal under German law. The following is what an insult that would be illegal under German law would look like". Taking the poem in isolation is intellectually lazy and dishonest. It's like showcasing a replica of Michelangelo's David's penis and saying David is obscene because it's entirely about genitalia.
unprepare 10y ago
>he has a temper and does not have a good sense of humor but please, did you find "that" poem funny? solid reasoning behind pursuing a criminal conviction to be sure.
reitanqild 10y ago
Upvoted you for being reasonable. Still disagree though. But no, I did not find that poem funny, but the fact that he hasn't got a sense of humour, that turned out to be a bit funny.
unethical_ban 10y ago
Do you support freedom of speech?

raandom 10y ago

He fights kurds for their numerous terrorist attacks in TUrkey. If you cant get this.. then I have nothing to say but your words have a deliberate false enforcement of a narrative - a false one. He said.. he will approve dealth penalty if the parliament approves it for the treasoners. Dont try to simplify things and deceive. Even many US states have death penalty. Those judges names where retrived from the coup takers. Read somethings before making an opinion. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-was-well-planned-and-very-nearly-succeeded-say-turkish-officials https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-...

manish_karan 10y ago

Did you forget to READ? let me quote: "judges aligned with the coup had begun calling on associates to adhere to the military’s demands." "At 1am, officials say the police chief the city of Bursa arrested the local army commander, who possessed a 6-page list that included the names of designated judges and military officials who were to be appointed to various positions in the bureaucracy in the aftermath of the coup. Other pro-coup soldiers possessed lists of secure telephone lines to receive orders." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-was-well-planned-and-very-nearly-succeeded-say-turkish-officials https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/military-coup-...