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> I don't think he staged the failed coup himself Indeed. It is is pretty irrational for a grandee to "fake a coup" if the said grandee is not in 100% control

> I don't think he staged the failed coup himself Indeed. It is is pretty irrational for a grandee to "fake a coup" if the said grandee is not in 100% control of military-spook set. (And if 100%, it makes no sense, since you already have full control.) > He spread the narrative that the coup was staged not to defend Atatürk's principles but by a religious sect his ruling party fell out with. http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/07/19/incirlik-air-base-still-without-power/87316140/ http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/07/19/incir... You know, you can try and spin this n times till eternity, but it is pretty clear that either US or NATO tried to remove the legal government of a NATO member. This is Bay of Pigs v2.0 + "who lost China" all rolled in one.

tonyedgecombe 10y ago
I think I'd want to see some evidence rather than speculation before I believed that.
- explorigin 10y ago
  Evidence in such matters is rare, but this scenario was predicted/accepted by some that study foreign policy: https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1193-sibel-edmonds-dissects-the-turkish-coup/ https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1193-sibel-edmonds-d... http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO18July2016.php http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO18July2016.php
danielweber 10y ago
> http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/07/19/incir.. http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/07/19/incir.... > You know, you can try and spin this n times till eternity, but it is pretty clear that either US or NATO tried to remove the legal government of a NATO member. The fact that the US military base is without external power is hardly proof, much less "pretty clear" that the US or NATO was involved. If I were in charge and there were a coup by the military, turning on power to military bases, especially foreign ones, would be way down my list of concerns.

tonyedgecombe 10y ago

I think I'd want to see some evidence rather than speculation before I believed that.

explorigin 10y ago
Evidence in such matters is rare, but this scenario was predicted/accepted by some that study foreign policy: https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1193-sibel-edmonds-dissects-the-turkish-coup/ https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1193-sibel-edmonds-d... http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO18July2016.php http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO18July2016.php

danielweber 10y ago

> http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/07/19/incir.. http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/07/19/incir.... > You know, you can try and spin this n times till eternity, but it is pretty clear that either US or NATO tried to remove the legal government of a NATO member. The fact that the US military base is without external power is hardly proof, much less "pretty clear" that the US or NATO was involved. If I were in charge and there were a coup by the military, turning on power to military bases, especially foreign ones, would be way down my list of concerns.