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I just finished reading last Chomsky book and that kind of post tastes so differently now. For example, that sentence is really strange: From the American per

by grp 10y ago

I just finished reading last Chomsky book and that kind of post tastes so differently now. For example, that sentence is really strange: From the American perspective, Turkey has never been fully committed to the war against Islamist groups in Syria.

tomp 10y ago
That is a strange statement. From my perspective, America hasn't been either (if anything, the opposite)!
- grp 10y ago
  So I'm not the only to hallucinate? A few years ago, the goal was to make fall Bachar by any way, no? It's so sad that a Nobel Peace Prize has the worst foreign policy ever.
  - pluma 10y ago
    The US government stuck to the position of "Assad must go" way longer than reasonable. Russia had warned early on that displacing Assad would mean supporting the extremists even before ISIS/ISIL showed up in the media. Russia had obvious strategic reasons to support Assad but even to a neutral observer it should have been obvious supporting the rebels would be a bad idea as soon as the Islamists showed up and the dangerous consequences of the Arab Spring (i.e. destabilizing entire countries that were now democratically electing radical groups) became apparent.
  - ghostDancer 10y ago
    The Nobel Peace prizes have a long story of that, beginning with Kissinger. And the EU and USA have been always supporters of any dictator that could help them till they think it's more interesting to throw away and usually it ends with everything in the area being worse for the people that live there.
tim333 10y ago
That's diplomatic speak for Turkey having been the biggest sponsor of ISIS.
- grp 10y ago
  Source please!
  - venomsnake 10y ago
    A lot of ISIS oil passed trough Turkey.
  - grenoire 10y ago
    Things like https://www.rt.com/news/327701-isis-turkey-oil-trade/ https://www.rt.com/news/327701-isis-turkey-oil-trade/ cannot happen without the government knowing about it.
  - tim333 10y ago
    Some stuff: ISIS gets funds by shipping oil to Turkey "Russian fighter jets smash ISIS oil tankers after spotting 12,000 at Turkish border" http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/629409/Russian-jets-smash-ISIS-oil-tankers-after-spotting-12-000-head-for-Turkish-border http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/629409/Russian-jets-smas... Where it's quite likely traded by Erdogan's son http://www.mintpressnews.com/211624-2/211624/ http://www.mintpressnews.com/211624-2/211624/ Various on Quora https://www.quora.com/Is-Turkey-supporting-ISIS-If-so-why https://www.quora.com/Is-Turkey-supporting-ISIS-If-so-why ISIS fighter having a Turkish beach hol before getting back to the beheading http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173135/Jihadi-swimming-trunks-chilling-photo-ISIS-terrorist-posing-beach-holiday-resort-TURKEY.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173135/Jihadi-swimm... I think Turkey is a similar situation to the US supporting Bin Laden and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to try to get rid of the Russian proxy except in Syria this time.

by grp 10y ago

tomp 10y ago

That is a strange statement. From my perspective, America hasn't been either (if anything, the opposite)!

grp 10y ago
So I'm not the only to hallucinate? A few years ago, the goal was to make fall Bachar by any way, no? It's so sad that a Nobel Peace Prize has the worst foreign policy ever.
- pluma 10y ago
  The US government stuck to the position of "Assad must go" way longer than reasonable. Russia had warned early on that displacing Assad would mean supporting the extremists even before ISIS/ISIL showed up in the media. Russia had obvious strategic reasons to support Assad but even to a neutral observer it should have been obvious supporting the rebels would be a bad idea as soon as the Islamists showed up and the dangerous consequences of the Arab Spring (i.e. destabilizing entire countries that were now democratically electing radical groups) became apparent.
- ghostDancer 10y ago
  The Nobel Peace prizes have a long story of that, beginning with Kissinger. And the EU and USA have been always supporters of any dictator that could help them till they think it's more interesting to throw away and usually it ends with everything in the area being worse for the people that live there.

tim333 10y ago

That's diplomatic speak for Turkey having been the biggest sponsor of ISIS.

grp 10y ago
Source please!
- venomsnake 10y ago
  A lot of ISIS oil passed trough Turkey.
- grenoire 10y ago
  Things like https://www.rt.com/news/327701-isis-turkey-oil-trade/ https://www.rt.com/news/327701-isis-turkey-oil-trade/ cannot happen without the government knowing about it.
- tim333 10y ago
  Some stuff: ISIS gets funds by shipping oil to Turkey "Russian fighter jets smash ISIS oil tankers after spotting 12,000 at Turkish border" http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/629409/Russian-jets-smash-ISIS-oil-tankers-after-spotting-12-000-head-for-Turkish-border http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/629409/Russian-jets-smas... Where it's quite likely traded by Erdogan's son http://www.mintpressnews.com/211624-2/211624/ http://www.mintpressnews.com/211624-2/211624/ Various on Quora https://www.quora.com/Is-Turkey-supporting-ISIS-If-so-why https://www.quora.com/Is-Turkey-supporting-ISIS-If-so-why ISIS fighter having a Turkish beach hol before getting back to the beheading http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173135/Jihadi-swimming-trunks-chilling-photo-ISIS-terrorist-posing-beach-holiday-resort-TURKEY.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173135/Jihadi-swimm... I think Turkey is a similar situation to the US supporting Bin Laden and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to try to get rid of the Russian proxy except in Syria this time.