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Okay, so these are the kinds of things that definitely need a citation ;) In what sense do you mean reading minds? Genuine mind reading, or basically a kind of

Okay, so these are the kinds of things that definitely need a citation ;) In what sense do you mean reading minds? Genuine mind reading, or basically a kind of intuiting about human intention based on say, body language?

kawsper 10y ago
Not OP, and I am not talking about mind-reading. But we have domesticated dogs for a long time, and some might argue that they are a lot better and quicker to pick up on our body language, than we are at picking up on theirs. Dog Behaviorists spend a lot of their not training dogs, but training dog owners to understand and read their dog.
finid 10y ago
Sorry, no citation. Just my personal knowledge and experience. And it's not just reading body language, but actual reading your thoughts. In the case of the crow, what body language tells it that the guy is about to throw a piece of rock or a bone when it can't SEE the object? I know it's not something I can prove to you, but that doesn't mean it's not happening.
- icelancer 10y ago
  >I know it's not something I can prove to you, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. Come on man.
- duncan_bayne 10y ago
  No, that is pretty much the definition of "not happening".
- bitJericho 10y ago
  Smaller animals are incredibly faster than humans in reaction times because of the difference in the length of their nerves. Birds are also far smarter than people give them credit for. Nothing can read minds tho. That's pure fantasy.
- andrepd 10y ago
  I'm just curious what your thought process is. I mean, what makes you think something so wacky as reading minds is happening (come on..) when the explanation is probably just that the birds have quick reflexes.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >what body language tells it that the guy is about to throw a piece of rock or a bone when it can't SEE the object? Tons of things, from being able to understand body cues that the guy is up to some BS (like we can tell a liar), to smelling the thing he has in his hands... Plus who said it "couldn't see the thing" in the first place? Even if it couldn't see what in his hand, it could have watched his moves before, as he left the apple and picked up the rock etc.
praptak 10y ago
Intuiting is pretty well described in the case of the Clever Hans horse (googleable).
tripzilch 10y ago
> In what sense do you mean reading minds? Genuine mind reading, or basically a kind of intuiting about human intention based on say, body language? And by "genuine", he means "magical" ... :-)

kawsper 10y ago

Not OP, and I am not talking about mind-reading. But we have domesticated dogs for a long time, and some might argue that they are a lot better and quicker to pick up on our body language, than we are at picking up on theirs. Dog Behaviorists spend a lot of their not training dogs, but training dog owners to understand and read their dog.

finid 10y ago

Sorry, no citation. Just my personal knowledge and experience. And it's not just reading body language, but actual reading your thoughts. In the case of the crow, what body language tells it that the guy is about to throw a piece of rock or a bone when it can't SEE the object? I know it's not something I can prove to you, but that doesn't mean it's not happening.

icelancer 10y ago
>I know it's not something I can prove to you, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. Come on man.
duncan_bayne 10y ago
No, that is pretty much the definition of "not happening".
bitJericho 10y ago
Smaller animals are incredibly faster than humans in reaction times because of the difference in the length of their nerves. Birds are also far smarter than people give them credit for. Nothing can read minds tho. That's pure fantasy.
andrepd 10y ago
I'm just curious what your thought process is. I mean, what makes you think something so wacky as reading minds is happening (come on..) when the explanation is probably just that the birds have quick reflexes.
coldtea 10y ago
>what body language tells it that the guy is about to throw a piece of rock or a bone when it can't SEE the object? Tons of things, from being able to understand body cues that the guy is up to some BS (like we can tell a liar), to smelling the thing he has in his hands... Plus who said it "couldn't see the thing" in the first place? Even if it couldn't see what in his hand, it could have watched his moves before, as he left the apple and picked up the rock etc.

praptak 10y ago

Intuiting is pretty well described in the case of the Clever Hans horse (googleable).

tripzilch 10y ago

> In what sense do you mean reading minds? Genuine mind reading, or basically a kind of intuiting about human intention based on say, body language? And by "genuine", he means "magical" ... :-)