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I recall reading somewhere that the downtown core actually has less condos than needed. TO should have built more apparently. They built a lot of condos further

by tostitos1979 10y ago

I recall reading somewhere that the downtown core actually has less condos than needed. TO should have built more apparently. They built a lot of condos further away and those condos are the ones that are decreasing/not going up. Also, since there are a lot of Toronto folks on this thread ... what are you folks doing if you don't own anything already? Prices are at an all time high but there is a general fear that if you don't buy now, you will be locked out forever. A data point there are condos in Gibson Square in North York for north of 650K. Seems insane but that is what the market is I suppose.

nibs 10y ago
Renting. People with the resources borrow money from family for down payments. People without borrow money from secondary lenders. My downtown condo up $50k/15% over the past 18 months but friends outside the core are flat or down.
dmix 10y ago
I'd personally invest money in businesses or building businesses. IMO real estate is for people without specialized technical talent (outside of handyman style work) or lots of extra cash needing a safe place to hold it. Regarding my living situation it makes more sense for me to rent, everyone I know who buys a house has spent tons of time and money fixing up their place. I'd rather invest those resources into a startup or consulting. Buying a condo might make sense at some point but I'm not really into condo living. If I go that route I'd want one with a pool and gym - which means a lot of extra condo fees, so I don't know if that ultimately makes financial sense. I'd be curious to see the numbers on that though.
kitcar 10y ago
What you read likely has to do with multi-individual/family focused dwellings. Toronto is currently overbuilt for single bed rooms, but under-built for units suitable for families. Anyways, as far as what to do - Patience. Most people in Toronto who have good/great credit have mortgages w/~2.4% interest rate and 5 or less year term. What that means is that a ~1% increase in rates would increase their annual interest expense by ~50%. Considering that the average house price is $1MM in the GTA, let's say the average downpayment is 20% (it's actually lower from what I've read...), and you're looking at a situation where if rates go up just 1%, the average new home owner is going to need to come up with an additional $8K / year after tax, so ~$11-16K before tax, in order to not default on their mortgage. With wages being as stagnant as they are in Canada, and the average Canadian being more in debt than they have ever been in the history of the country(1), you can imagine that there will at least be a couple of people who will no longer be able to afford the houses they are in and need to sell it off. 1)http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/canadians-debt-burden-still-growing-hits-record-in-fourth-quarter/article29172712/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/ca...

nibs 10y ago

Renting. People with the resources borrow money from family for down payments. People without borrow money from secondary lenders. My downtown condo up $50k/15% over the past 18 months but friends outside the core are flat or down.

dmix 10y ago

I'd personally invest money in businesses or building businesses. IMO real estate is for people without specialized technical talent (outside of handyman style work) or lots of extra cash needing a safe place to hold it. Regarding my living situation it makes more sense for me to rent, everyone I know who buys a house has spent tons of time and money fixing up their place. I'd rather invest those resources into a startup or consulting. Buying a condo might make sense at some point but I'm not really into condo living. If I go that route I'd want one with a pool and gym - which means a lot of extra condo fees, so I don't know if that ultimately makes financial sense. I'd be curious to see the numbers on that though.

kitcar 10y ago

What you read likely has to do with multi-individual/family focused dwellings. Toronto is currently overbuilt for single bed rooms, but under-built for units suitable for families. Anyways, as far as what to do - Patience. Most people in Toronto who have good/great credit have mortgages w/~2.4% interest rate and 5 or less year term. What that means is that a ~1% increase in rates would increase their annual interest expense by ~50%. Considering that the average house price is $1MM in the GTA, let's say the average downpayment is 20% (it's actually lower from what I've read...), and you're looking at a situation where if rates go up just 1%, the average new home owner is going to need to come up with an additional $8K / year after tax, so ~$11-16K before tax, in order to not default on their mortgage. With wages being as stagnant as they are in Canada, and the average Canadian being more in debt than they have ever been in the history of the country(1), you can imagine that there will at least be a couple of people who will no longer be able to afford the houses they are in and need to sell it off. 1)http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/canadians-debt-burden-still-growing-hits-record-in-fourth-quarter/article29172712/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/ca...