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This isn't just some poorly labelled content from a 10 year old legacy website from a time before they knew any better, the OData website got a recent redesign

by mythz 10y ago

This isn't just some poorly labelled content from a 10 year old legacy website from a time before they knew any better, the OData website got a recent redesign sporting new Stock photos and even larger font for their disingenuous labeling which still continue to push OData crapware under the REST banner to fool devs/CIO's into thinking if they adopt OData they're taking advantage of the best form of REST - which is in-contrast and devalues sincere efforts like this where they're actually looking to promote good HTTP API practices.

andybak 10y ago
I recently had the misfortune to have to tackle oData to talk to Dynamics CRM. The choice was between that and SOAP so it was the lesser of two evils. But compared to the other nice, modern REST API's I'm used it smelt of mould and enterprisey cobwebs. I'd have preferred an old school RPC API over that. At least API's that abuse REST from that direction tend to have the virtue of simplicity.
- tracker1 10y ago
  For that matter, I know it's "bad" to use RPC, but imho it's sometimes the cleanest/simplest interface you can make for something on an API.
  - mythz 10y ago
    You should never have to apologize for delivering value - that's ultimately the purpose of technology. If it's the cleanest/simplest solution to a given requirement, implement it and move on - don't worry about trying to appease cargo cults. Technology should be used as a tool to deliver the best value you can within a given set of requirements. End users don't care how many Internet points from fashionable tech du jour you collect along the way, all that matters to them is the end user experience, invest your energy towards that.
  - ChrisAtWork 10y ago
    There's nothing wrong with RPC APIs. Other than being "Not Cool" due to the legacy of SOAP, they can deliver some very nice value. Various RPC mechanisms like Bond and Protocol Buffers (and more recently GRPC) are trying hard to make RPC cool again. Personally, I hope they succeed, as REST (like any technology) doesn't work for everything.
    - tracker1 10y ago
      For that matter, communication abstractions over websockets... Which has been most interesting to me in terms of offering some better security choices.
- baconner 10y ago
  Sure, but is the smell because of OData or is that smell mostly coming from the messy old enterprise cruft that an OData veneer has been applied over? I can't really speak to how Dynamics did this in detail, but on my crusty enterprise platform with a huge existing api surface we did a veneering project as a rest v1 using OData (intentionally avoiding esoteric bits, but using query, $metadata, and limited relationships). It does have an enterprisy cobweb feel in places but I think that'd be present if we'd done it without OData as well.

by mythz 10y ago

andybak 10y ago

I recently had the misfortune to have to tackle oData to talk to Dynamics CRM. The choice was between that and SOAP so it was the lesser of two evils. But compared to the other nice, modern REST API's I'm used it smelt of mould and enterprisey cobwebs. I'd have preferred an old school RPC API over that. At least API's that abuse REST from that direction tend to have the virtue of simplicity.

tracker1 10y ago
For that matter, I know it's "bad" to use RPC, but imho it's sometimes the cleanest/simplest interface you can make for something on an API.
- mythz 10y ago
  You should never have to apologize for delivering value - that's ultimately the purpose of technology. If it's the cleanest/simplest solution to a given requirement, implement it and move on - don't worry about trying to appease cargo cults. Technology should be used as a tool to deliver the best value you can within a given set of requirements. End users don't care how many Internet points from fashionable tech du jour you collect along the way, all that matters to them is the end user experience, invest your energy towards that.
- ChrisAtWork 10y ago
  There's nothing wrong with RPC APIs. Other than being "Not Cool" due to the legacy of SOAP, they can deliver some very nice value. Various RPC mechanisms like Bond and Protocol Buffers (and more recently GRPC) are trying hard to make RPC cool again. Personally, I hope they succeed, as REST (like any technology) doesn't work for everything.
  - tracker1 10y ago
    For that matter, communication abstractions over websockets... Which has been most interesting to me in terms of offering some better security choices.
baconner 10y ago
Sure, but is the smell because of OData or is that smell mostly coming from the messy old enterprise cruft that an OData veneer has been applied over? I can't really speak to how Dynamics did this in detail, but on my crusty enterprise platform with a huge existing api surface we did a veneering project as a rest v1 using OData (intentionally avoiding esoteric bits, but using query, $metadata, and limited relationships). It does have an enterprisy cobweb feel in places but I think that'd be present if we'd done it without OData as well.