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Uhh. I wish you could atleast understand this lingua franca you constantly speak of (see disclaimer above). If not please don't bring this moralizing non-sense.

Uhh. I wish you could atleast understand this lingua franca you constantly speak of (see disclaimer above). If not please don't bring this moralizing non-sense. Narratives don't make for either logic or reason. I'm not even sure you understand philosophy or the epistemological meanings of the words you are so desperate to bolster these stupid narratives. See, the thing is, you don't invalidate any of what I said. - 90% of India's population does not speak English. This is not "mere opinion". - EU uses 24 official languages; companies work in the language of the state. East-Asian companies work and do engineering in their respective languages. Unless you claim Indian languages are somehow intrinsically "useless", your narrative is full of BS. - It's not about "speaking" as was mentioned earlier. It was obvious I was talking about technical/commercial usage. I'm glad it's required in the Govt; it appears this is only the case for low-level jobs. It looks like the country's laws etc. (apparently even the courts ?) function in English. Countries in East-Asia do engineering/business etc. in their own respective languages, some borrowing terms from English, and others (like CN) going out of their way to avoid them. I don't mean language usage in the Kitchen; I'm not even sure how this can be "economically useful". - You invalidate nothing written in the NyT article. Your "argument" is essentially one saying, "ah it's too much work to keep our own identities, so let's just adopt one of the old colonizer". What a pathetic country, and what a fall. Noam Chomsky notes somewhere the corruption these idiots in post-modernism have on the third world, where intellectuals are desperately needed. I can see what he meant.

kartD 10y ago
You haven't answered my question, which is which company/country deals with 28 languages ? The EU isn't a country. Maybe you don't understand English. And which company works in multiple languages within it's own home country? Your wiki source relies on 2001 data (and only considers English speakers [0] and you used as logic that 90% of India doesn't speak English, so it is in fact, mere opinion - yours). When counting both users and speakers, the value was 350M which is ~30% of the population. It is about speaking. On a single team does it make sense that one does the docs in Hindi, and the non-Hindi speakers do what exactly with this doc? Or does he/she do one in each language? Will every college teach subjects in 28 different languages? Does any European university teach each subject in 28 languages? Do any of the countries in East Asia? Your NYT article is an opinion piece, it's not admissible or inadmissible. If you're relying on opinion pieces, your logic is already flawed. Most of what you say is a misrepresentation of facts. [0]- "Wikipedia's old estimate of 350 million includes two categories – "English Speakers" and "English Users". The distinction between the Speakers and Users is that Users only know how to read English words while Speakers know how to read English, understand spoken English as well as form their own sentences to converse in English.
- ittekimasu 10y ago
  There is nothing new that you say other than, - some unqualified pedantry about the data being from 2001. "Oh yeah, we used to oppress people for eons; they've adapted in the past decade." - The number of fluent English speakers is apparently in the low single digits. Fairly obvious there is a nauseous class system in India, from the NyT article (speaking English gets you a good job ? What kind of society is that ? India is Anglo-Saxon ?). - I don't think India is "country" in the same way as European states are. To be fair to Europe, Belgium today does work today with both Dutch and French. As a cohort of people, EU, is much closer to India, in terms of diversity etc (yes, I looked up the demographics). - If you wish to use the epistemological grounding of a European, you're essentially vindicating my position: you have no understanding of the language/concepts you speak. - Finally, I really don't want to continue this exercise in shallowness (even the narratives are so shallow!). Asking me to answer rhetorical questions hardly amounts to reason. Good luck being a (medieval) WASP clone, and trampling on people's tongues (see, now, that is an interesting narrative).
  - kartD 10y ago
    You've answered nothing I've asked (350M speakers which is 30% of the pop, Belgium uses 2 languages and somehow India isn't a country) and then end with what is at best a racial insult. You're free to have your opinions, but I don't see the point in arguing with you. You clearly can't or won't read or nor argue coherently and hurl pathetic insults.
    - ittekimasu 10y ago
      For the sake of posterity, the parent here is not contending that exclusion exists, but is claiming that it is "inevitable" like "manifest destiny". More resources on this ghastly society, - A book which basically arrives at the same conclusion: India is a linguistic apartheid state , https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=PA122&dq=india+linguistic+apartheid&source=bl&ots=cU2vNuorrW&sig=XfLzzwwIWKbx-iXNTaFez6Dsp50&hl=kn&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3rPna_4LOAhVIyGMKHRrADZ8Q6AEIQjAG#v=onepage&q=india%20linguistic%20apartheid&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=... - India ranks in the bottom 73-74 in PISA (while China/Japan/S.Korea are in the top 10; Vietnam in the top-20s). - India's literacy is < 80%, probably because there's no real opportunity even if you're educated (and have the misfortune of not speaking English). - http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-english/ http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-en... I'm surprised there hasn't been a rerun of French revolution by the proletariat; or may be India just doesn't care - that'd explain the colonization.

kartD 10y ago

You haven't answered my question, which is which company/country deals with 28 languages ? The EU isn't a country. Maybe you don't understand English. And which company works in multiple languages within it's own home country? Your wiki source relies on 2001 data (and only considers English speakers [0] and you used as logic that 90% of India doesn't speak English, so it is in fact, mere opinion - yours). When counting both users and speakers, the value was 350M which is ~30% of the population. It is about speaking. On a single team does it make sense that one does the docs in Hindi, and the non-Hindi speakers do what exactly with this doc? Or does he/she do one in each language? Will every college teach subjects in 28 different languages? Does any European university teach each subject in 28 languages? Do any of the countries in East Asia? Your NYT article is an opinion piece, it's not admissible or inadmissible. If you're relying on opinion pieces, your logic is already flawed. Most of what you say is a misrepresentation of facts. [0]- "Wikipedia's old estimate of 350 million includes two categories – "English Speakers" and "English Users". The distinction between the Speakers and Users is that Users only know how to read English words while Speakers know how to read English, understand spoken English as well as form their own sentences to converse in English.

ittekimasu 10y ago
There is nothing new that you say other than, - some unqualified pedantry about the data being from 2001. "Oh yeah, we used to oppress people for eons; they've adapted in the past decade." - The number of fluent English speakers is apparently in the low single digits. Fairly obvious there is a nauseous class system in India, from the NyT article (speaking English gets you a good job ? What kind of society is that ? India is Anglo-Saxon ?). - I don't think India is "country" in the same way as European states are. To be fair to Europe, Belgium today does work today with both Dutch and French. As a cohort of people, EU, is much closer to India, in terms of diversity etc (yes, I looked up the demographics). - If you wish to use the epistemological grounding of a European, you're essentially vindicating my position: you have no understanding of the language/concepts you speak. - Finally, I really don't want to continue this exercise in shallowness (even the narratives are so shallow!). Asking me to answer rhetorical questions hardly amounts to reason. Good luck being a (medieval) WASP clone, and trampling on people's tongues (see, now, that is an interesting narrative).
- kartD 10y ago
  You've answered nothing I've asked (350M speakers which is 30% of the pop, Belgium uses 2 languages and somehow India isn't a country) and then end with what is at best a racial insult. You're free to have your opinions, but I don't see the point in arguing with you. You clearly can't or won't read or nor argue coherently and hurl pathetic insults.
  - ittekimasu 10y ago
    For the sake of posterity, the parent here is not contending that exclusion exists, but is claiming that it is "inevitable" like "manifest destiny". More resources on this ghastly society, - A book which basically arrives at the same conclusion: India is a linguistic apartheid state , https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=PA122&dq=india+linguistic+apartheid&source=bl&ots=cU2vNuorrW&sig=XfLzzwwIWKbx-iXNTaFez6Dsp50&hl=kn&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3rPna_4LOAhVIyGMKHRrADZ8Q6AEIQjAG#v=onepage&q=india%20linguistic%20apartheid&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=QJpjhC6BuM4C&pg=PA124&lpg=... - India ranks in the bottom 73-74 in PISA (while China/Japan/S.Korea are in the top 10; Vietnam in the top-20s). - India's literacy is < 80%, probably because there's no real opportunity even if you're educated (and have the misfortune of not speaking English). - http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-english/ http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/why-india-must-move-beyond-en... I'm surprised there hasn't been a rerun of French revolution by the proletariat; or may be India just doesn't care - that'd explain the colonization.