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The problem isn't necessarily the companies, it's that the government is in league with the companies and/or outright owns and runs them, so people are concern

by Fej 10y ago

The problem isn't necessarily the companies, it's that the government is in league with the companies and/or outright owns and runs them, so people are concerned about the Chinese government having their data. I am too, and I imagine most people here are as well.

curt15 10y ago
>The problem isn't necessarily the companies, it's that the government is in league with the companies and/or outright owns and runs them But that is precisely why people distrust the companies.
lucb1e 10y ago
Probably an unpopular opinion here, but for that matter, should I trust the American government? I'm not one of its citizens and deemed fine to spy on by American laws.
- Wingman4l7 10y ago
  The American government has, historically, been more reluctant to disappear citizens whose viewpoints it disagrees with.
  - lucb1e 10y ago
    Good point, though I'm not physically in China either.
    - khuey 10y ago
      That hasn't stopped them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan...
      - lucb1e 10y ago
        In this one case perhaps. On the other hand, what would we have said if China attacked a middle eastern country in the name of "freeing it from a dictator" and it turned out their intelligence agencies tortured people there, or held "terrorists" on Chinese soil without any sort of trial? The barbarians! There is enough mud to be thrown either way. As a country allied with the US (in general) I'm much less concerned by America's government, but the distrust of anything non-western... I mean, we are all people wanting to make a living in this world with much more in common than most are aware of.
        dmix 10y ago
        It looks like the chinese were inspired by the CIA's use of 'rendition' to disappear people under extrajudicial pretense. Although I don't see the difference between China doing it in Hong Kong and the US doing it in Italy: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world/europe/05italy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world/europe/05italy.html Italy is (and was) most certainly an 'allied' country to the US and it didn't stop them either.

by Fej 10y ago

curt15 10y ago

>The problem isn't necessarily the companies, it's that the government is in league with the companies and/or outright owns and runs them But that is precisely why people distrust the companies.

lucb1e 10y ago

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but for that matter, should I trust the American government? I'm not one of its citizens and deemed fine to spy on by American laws.

Wingman4l7 10y ago
The American government has, historically, been more reluctant to disappear citizens whose viewpoints it disagrees with.
- lucb1e 10y ago
  Good point, though I'm not physically in China either.
  - khuey 10y ago
    That hasn't stopped them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeway_Bay_Books_disappearan...
    - lucb1e 10y ago
      In this one case perhaps. On the other hand, what would we have said if China attacked a middle eastern country in the name of "freeing it from a dictator" and it turned out their intelligence agencies tortured people there, or held "terrorists" on Chinese soil without any sort of trial? The barbarians! There is enough mud to be thrown either way. As a country allied with the US (in general) I'm much less concerned by America's government, but the distrust of anything non-western... I mean, we are all people wanting to make a living in this world with much more in common than most are aware of.
      - dmix 10y ago
        It looks like the chinese were inspired by the CIA's use of 'rendition' to disappear people under extrajudicial pretense. Although I don't see the difference between China doing it in Hong Kong and the US doing it in Italy: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world/europe/05italy.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world/europe/05italy.html Italy is (and was) most certainly an 'allied' country to the US and it didn't stop them either.