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Two day's ago ago a coup d'état was stopped because the contested prime minister of turkey was able to reach medias using built-in VOIP technology of one of the

by Twisell 10y ago

Two day's ago ago a coup d'état was stopped because the contested prime minister of turkey was able to reach medias using built-in VOIP technology of one of the most worldwide sold smartphone. Citizens comprising even some politics opponents rallied in the street to contest the coup d'état so that turkey remain a democracy (even if Erdogan is very very contested as a leader). And a few more days ago police abuse was catch and shared live on Facebook leading to investigations on cops abuse. I can only encourage everyone to read the Orwell's full novel. But I can't agree less with OP, we currently live in a society where any injustice can be share worldwide in a heartbeat. This is very very far frow Orwell's totalitarian society depicted in 1984.

Grishnakh 10y ago
>Two day's ago ago a coup d'état was stopped because the contested prime minister of turkey was able to reach medias using built-in VOIP technology of one of the most worldwide sold smartphone. Citizens comprising even some politics opponents rallied in the street to contest the coup d'état so that turkey remain a democracy (even if Erdogan is very very contested as a leader). Nope. There was never a coup at all, it was all made up to help Erdogan become a dictator. It's all working exactly to plan. What kind of coup doesn't bother to capture the country's top leaders, and instead captures a bridge? What kind of coup has rebels flying fighter jets, and even when they have the President's plane in their sights, they ignore it? And instead, they use aircraft to shoot at people on the streets? Or at an empty Parliament building? Why would a country that has a long history of highly successful and competent coups now carry out the most utterly incompetent coup in all of human history? The Turkish citizens aren't supporting democracy; they're exactly like the German citizens of the 1930s, supporting their new dictator. And this "coup" was very much like the Reichstag fire.
- Twisell 10y ago
  Thanks for the insights. I must say I hesitated a lot before using this example because it's a smoking hot news and Erdogan could probably have settled this whole thing up. My point was mostly that technology enable us to share like never before and the sole fact that we can talk freely about Erdogan lies is another example of why, no, we don't live in 1984.
  - Grishnakh 10y ago
    Being able to talk freely about his lies isn't helping; the Turkish citizens are happily signing up to be his brownshirts. Those of us who are outside the country and not Turkish can point this stuff out all we want, but it doesn't really matter. I'm sure people in England, the US, Poland, France, etc. said similar stuff about Hitler in the 30s, but it didn't help then either. I won't be too surprised to see Turkey setting up death camps soon, for all the Kurds, intellectuals, and others opposed to his regime. And like Germany and Rwanda, the rest of the world will just stand by and watch. I'd also like to point out that even with the internet and freedom of expression here in the US, we're not doing a great job of electing our next leader, and the ability to "expose lies" isn't helping either: no one believes it. People on the right don't believe it when others point out how their leaders or candidates are lying to them, and people on the left likewise don't believe it when others point out to them how their leaders and candidates are liars and crooks. It's probably much the same in Turkey right now; they do have internet access, Facebook, etc. But the pro-Erdogan people simply aren't going to believe anything they're told by anti-Erdogan people.

by Twisell 10y ago

Grishnakh 10y ago

>Two day's ago ago a coup d'état was stopped because the contested prime minister of turkey was able to reach medias using built-in VOIP technology of one of the most worldwide sold smartphone. Citizens comprising even some politics opponents rallied in the street to contest the coup d'état so that turkey remain a democracy (even if Erdogan is very very contested as a leader). Nope. There was never a coup at all, it was all made up to help Erdogan become a dictator. It's all working exactly to plan. What kind of coup doesn't bother to capture the country's top leaders, and instead captures a bridge? What kind of coup has rebels flying fighter jets, and even when they have the President's plane in their sights, they ignore it? And instead, they use aircraft to shoot at people on the streets? Or at an empty Parliament building? Why would a country that has a long history of highly successful and competent coups now carry out the most utterly incompetent coup in all of human history? The Turkish citizens aren't supporting democracy; they're exactly like the German citizens of the 1930s, supporting their new dictator. And this "coup" was very much like the Reichstag fire.

Twisell 10y ago
Thanks for the insights. I must say I hesitated a lot before using this example because it's a smoking hot news and Erdogan could probably have settled this whole thing up. My point was mostly that technology enable us to share like never before and the sole fact that we can talk freely about Erdogan lies is another example of why, no, we don't live in 1984.
- Grishnakh 10y ago
  Being able to talk freely about his lies isn't helping; the Turkish citizens are happily signing up to be his brownshirts. Those of us who are outside the country and not Turkish can point this stuff out all we want, but it doesn't really matter. I'm sure people in England, the US, Poland, France, etc. said similar stuff about Hitler in the 30s, but it didn't help then either. I won't be too surprised to see Turkey setting up death camps soon, for all the Kurds, intellectuals, and others opposed to his regime. And like Germany and Rwanda, the rest of the world will just stand by and watch. I'd also like to point out that even with the internet and freedom of expression here in the US, we're not doing a great job of electing our next leader, and the ability to "expose lies" isn't helping either: no one believes it. People on the right don't believe it when others point out how their leaders or candidates are lying to them, and people on the left likewise don't believe it when others point out to them how their leaders and candidates are liars and crooks. It's probably much the same in Turkey right now; they do have internet access, Facebook, etc. But the pro-Erdogan people simply aren't going to believe anything they're told by anti-Erdogan people.