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Dude. We talking about animals here? Their natural ecosystem? People deserve more respect than that.

• trelltron 10y ago
  Ecosystem: a complex network or interconnected system.
  • hx87 10y ago
    There's hardly anything "natural" about human ecosystems, or human relationships for that matter.
    • 0xfeba 10y ago
      Depends on your definition of natural. The religious claim of 'special creation', esp. w.r.t. humans has it easy here: > existing in nature and not made or caused by people : coming from nature This definition really stems from man's early assumption that we are distinctly "different" from all other natural things. But reality tells us otherwise: People are a part of nature; they are natural. It's easier to discuss in terms of what isn't the same instead of what is the same. And that is, we are the smartest known species (being the sole species with self-consciousness is still up for debate). Therefore everything people do is natural.
      • hx87 10y ago
        So either everything humans do is natural or nothing humans do is natural. Either way, it's incorrect to say that 1st world actions in the Middle East are any more "unnatural" than what the indigenous people do.
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• imglorp 10y ago
  That was kinda my point. As long as they're being okay neighbors and keeping the human rights violations in line, IMHO countries deserve self determination without the superpowers bullying via overthrowing (Assad)--or just plain invading (eg Ukraine).
  • jbooth 10y ago
    That's a reasonable point (although it's not like Assad is short on human rights violations), but implying there's some sort of "natural line of development" that would have happened without interaction with the west really strikes me as (unintentionally) racist.
    • imglorp 10y ago
      No, I was making an obtuse reference to non-interference. Perhaps a poor metaphor.