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Also I think 2 of them can flame out and Falcon can still achieve the primary mission. Minivan with an extra tire.

by grinich 10y ago

JshWright 10y ago
That depends very much on what the primary mission is. For LEO missions like the CRS flights, then sure. For GTO launches, they probably don't have the margin needed.
- skykooler 10y ago
  For a GTO mission the Falcon 9 can have a single engine out and still complete the primary mission.
  - vanattab 10y ago
    Is this still true at max GTO payload weight?
    - walrus01 10y ago
      It might depend where in the flight the engine fails, assuming we're talking about the first stage. If I had to guess, a GTO mission (placing a payload in a 36,000 km x 350 km elliptical orbit) could still be successful with an engine failure in the first stage after 65-75% of the fuel had been burned, and the vehicle was generally lighter, allowing the burn time to be adjusted longer to reach the same velocity at the point of first stage cutoff and separation to ignition of the second stage. But this guess comes from dozens of hours spent playing Kerbal Space Program....
    - jakub_h 10y ago
      Remember that with reusability in play, the guidance system can decide "screw the first stage landing, the payload is more important" and simply switch to an expendable launch profile if it turns out that you have more engine problems on the first stage than you designed for. Then you use the reserve fuel to get the $300M satellite safely to orbit instead of getting the $30M stage safely to the ground. The customer is happy and you've only lost a unit for which you have a dozen of direct substitutes in storage anyway (SpaceX already doesn't have enough storage space, apparently!).
SEJeff 10y ago
Or a minivan with runflat tires. They'll still get you where you're going, but a bit slower and not quite as efficiently.

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Also I think 2 of them can flame out and Falcon can still achieve the primary mission. Minivan with an extra tire.

by grinich 10y ago

Also I think 2 of them can flame out and Falcon can still achieve the primary mission. Minivan with an extra tire.

JshWright 10y ago
That depends very much on what the primary mission is. For LEO missions like the CRS flights, then sure. For GTO launches, they probably don't have the margin needed.
- skykooler 10y ago
  For a GTO mission the Falcon 9 can have a single engine out and still complete the primary mission.
  - vanattab 10y ago
    Is this still true at max GTO payload weight?
    - walrus01 10y ago
      It might depend where in the flight the engine fails, assuming we're talking about the first stage. If I had to guess, a GTO mission (placing a payload in a 36,000 km x 350 km elliptical orbit) could still be successful with an engine failure in the first stage after 65-75% of the fuel had been burned, and the vehicle was generally lighter, allowing the burn time to be adjusted longer to reach the same velocity at the point of first stage cutoff and separation to ignition of the second stage. But this guess comes from dozens of hours spent playing Kerbal Space Program....
    - jakub_h 10y ago
      Remember that with reusability in play, the guidance system can decide "screw the first stage landing, the payload is more important" and simply switch to an expendable launch profile if it turns out that you have more engine problems on the first stage than you designed for. Then you use the reserve fuel to get the $300M satellite safely to orbit instead of getting the $30M stage safely to the ground. The customer is happy and you've only lost a unit for which you have a dozen of direct substitutes in storage anyway (SpaceX already doesn't have enough storage space, apparently!).
SEJeff 10y ago
Or a minivan with runflat tires. They'll still get you where you're going, but a bit slower and not quite as efficiently.