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Also: rich uncle Xerox did own PARC, and it didn't end up saving the company.

by leoc 10y ago

dredmorbius 10y ago
I was somewhat staggered in the late 1990s reading John Sealy Brown (former PARC director), in The Social Life of Information, which is otherwise and excellent book and one I'd still recommend, that the grand-daddy of technical reproduction businesses completely failed to mention its biggest competitor, the Apache Webserver, anywhere in the book (there was brief mention of the World Wide Web). I've worked with some of Xerox's workhorse printers, multi-hundred-thousand-dollar systems that can crank out 120 prints per minute, sustained (hot-swappable paper trays, so you don't even have to stop to reload). But all of those were already being dwarfed in document presentation by a freely-available arrangement of software, with a $1,000 - $10,000 piece of server kit capable of kicking out millions of pages per day. A large print shop with several workhorse printers might make 1 million copies/day. And at a fraction the cost. Yeah, Xerox completely dropped the ball.
- intrasight 10y ago
  Rent-seeking behaviour is not sustainable in a functioning capitalist society. But it can be very lucrative while it lasts, and it only has to last until you retire.
  - TorKlingberg 10y ago
    How is selling printers rent seeking?
    - dredmorbius 10y ago
      Possibly exploiting patents.Though Xerox lost out on much of that to IIRC Toshiba.
    - mathgeek 10y ago
      Xerox derives much of its income from contracts rather than selling printers directly. They rent you the printer and charge you per page printed. Source: worked tech support for better part of the 2000's and had to get Xerox printers on our networks often. Spent a lot of time updating settings when the contracts renewed and new printers were leased.
      - TorKlingberg 10y ago
        That sounds like something their customers want, whether you think they should or not.
        mathgeek 10y ago
        That's essentially what I found in my time working with them. This was public sector so the idea of budgeting the hardware cost as a lease and paying per print really appealed to the administration.

Also: rich uncle Xerox did own PARC, and it didn't end up saving the company.

by leoc 10y ago

Also: rich uncle Xerox did own PARC, and it didn't end up saving the company.

I was somewhat staggered in the late 1990s reading John Sealy Brown (former PARC director), in The Social Life of Information, which is otherwise and excellent book and one I'd still recommend, that the grand-daddy of technical reproduction businesses completely failed to mention its biggest competitor, the Apache Webserver, anywhere in the book (there was brief mention of the World Wide Web). I've worked with some of Xerox's workhorse printers, multi-hundred-thousand-dollar systems that can crank out 120 prints per minute, sustained (hot-swappable paper trays, so you don't even have to stop to reload). But all of those were already being dwarfed in document presentation by a freely-available arrangement of software, with a $1,000 - $10,000 piece of server kit capable of kicking out millions of pages per day. A large print shop with several workhorse printers might make 1 million copies/day. And at a fraction the cost. Yeah, Xerox completely dropped the ball.

intrasight 10y ago
Rent-seeking behaviour is not sustainable in a functioning capitalist society. But it can be very lucrative while it lasts, and it only has to last until you retire.
- TorKlingberg 10y ago
  How is selling printers rent seeking?
  - dredmorbius 10y ago
    Possibly exploiting patents.Though Xerox lost out on much of that to IIRC Toshiba.
  - mathgeek 10y ago
    Xerox derives much of its income from contracts rather than selling printers directly. They rent you the printer and charge you per page printed. Source: worked tech support for better part of the 2000's and had to get Xerox printers on our networks often. Spent a lot of time updating settings when the contracts renewed and new printers were leased.
    - TorKlingberg 10y ago
      That sounds like something their customers want, whether you think they should or not.
      - mathgeek 10y ago
        That's essentially what I found in my time working with them. This was public sector so the idea of budgeting the hardware cost as a lease and paying per print really appealed to the administration.