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> Uganda/Tanzania are filthy filthy countries. I have grown up in Dar es salaam, Tanzania and have travelled a lot in the East African countries and I am quite

by asenna 10y ago

> Uganda/Tanzania are filthy filthy countries. I have grown up in Dar es salaam, Tanzania and have travelled a lot in the East African countries and I am quite surprised by that statement. I am guessing it had more to do with the areas you went to/lived in. There are definitely filthy places and slum areas but there is also the good parts of town with good roads in Dar / Arusha and other cities. In that sense, even San Francisco and other cities that I have lived in in the US have filthy areas. Of course, it's more pronounced in these African countries but I wouldn't associate these countries with filthiness. If it's the villages and small towns you were referring to, I think these are more or less similar in the way they are all across the area. On a side note, I have recently been visiting Kenya more often (my dad works in Nairobi) and I would recommend anyone planning a trip to this side of the continent to consider Kenya + Tanzania trip(Masai mara + Serengeti, Ngorongoro). Especially if you're a nature and wildlife lover. It will change your life.

donretag 10y ago
Cleanliness had a different meaning over there. Everyone's house and place of business was very clean. Spotless. However, they would simply sweep up everything and put it out on the street. As long as it was not in there house, it was fine. Bizarre. Food wrappers everywhere. Empty bags of 100ml alcohol (Konyagi, etc) everywhere. I traveled by public means and the view of the roads did not leave of good impression. Do not get me wrong, I still had an amazing time. Even gorgeous Zanzibar had piles of garbage if you did not stay at a resort. I spent very little time in Dar. It basically was the gateway to Zanzibar. Because of its reputation for crime and not wanting to be in cities but in nature, we only spent two nights there. As a music lover, I really wanted to visit places such as the ones described here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/travel/where-tanzania-taps-its-feet.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/travel/where-tanzania-taps... I was there at the wrong time (Sunday nights) and the venues were far from my hotel. Would have loved to go if I knew someone. I had better safaris elsewhere, but Ngorongoro itself is magical.
- iamjeff 10y ago
  >they would simply sweep up everything and put it out on the street Yes, this has been my experience. It is simply hilarious. >Konyagi Yeah, ain't that a sight. By "bags" you surely meant plastic bottles, no?
  - donretag 10y ago
    Bags, definitely bags: http://i.imgur.com/W1hL4Tx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/W1hL4Tx.jpg I only saw them in East Africa. The streets were littered with them. Very cheap and poor tasting. Basically ethanol and flavoring. Konyagi & juice. Disgusting, but I wish I was back on the beaches of Zanibar having a few.
    - iamjeff 10y ago
      I remember the very first time that I saw those bags. Some young guys fished a bag each out of their pockets, squeezed whatever was in them right into their mouths, and let this horrendous cry for help (at least that is how I saw it; that stuff surely 'looked' bitter). I have had the chance to taste that stuff and I must say, poor tasting indeed.

by asenna 10y ago

donretag 10y ago

Cleanliness had a different meaning over there. Everyone's house and place of business was very clean. Spotless. However, they would simply sweep up everything and put it out on the street. As long as it was not in there house, it was fine. Bizarre. Food wrappers everywhere. Empty bags of 100ml alcohol (Konyagi, etc) everywhere. I traveled by public means and the view of the roads did not leave of good impression. Do not get me wrong, I still had an amazing time. Even gorgeous Zanzibar had piles of garbage if you did not stay at a resort. I spent very little time in Dar. It basically was the gateway to Zanzibar. Because of its reputation for crime and not wanting to be in cities but in nature, we only spent two nights there. As a music lover, I really wanted to visit places such as the ones described here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/travel/where-tanzania-taps-its-feet.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/travel/where-tanzania-taps... I was there at the wrong time (Sunday nights) and the venues were far from my hotel. Would have loved to go if I knew someone. I had better safaris elsewhere, but Ngorongoro itself is magical.

iamjeff 10y ago
>they would simply sweep up everything and put it out on the street Yes, this has been my experience. It is simply hilarious. >Konyagi Yeah, ain't that a sight. By "bags" you surely meant plastic bottles, no?
- donretag 10y ago
  Bags, definitely bags: http://i.imgur.com/W1hL4Tx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/W1hL4Tx.jpg I only saw them in East Africa. The streets were littered with them. Very cheap and poor tasting. Basically ethanol and flavoring. Konyagi & juice. Disgusting, but I wish I was back on the beaches of Zanibar having a few.
  - iamjeff 10y ago
    I remember the very first time that I saw those bags. Some young guys fished a bag each out of their pockets, squeezed whatever was in them right into their mouths, and let this horrendous cry for help (at least that is how I saw it; that stuff surely 'looked' bitter). I have had the chance to taste that stuff and I must say, poor tasting indeed.