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Well, two people making $150k/year together are making $75k/year each, which is actually reasonably middle-class-ish, and they're definitely both working-class

Well, two people making $150k/year together are making $75k/year each, which is actually reasonably middle-class-ish, and they're definitely both working-class in the strict material-relations sense because they sell their labor-power to survive.

dragontamer 10y ago
Median household income in America is $53,482. That's both salaries mother and father combined. You've got to be kidding me if having a takehome income literally TRIPLE the median constitutes "middle class".
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  >That's both salaries mother and father combined. You've got to be kidding me if having a takehome income literally TRIPLE the median constitutes "middle class". Look, I don't even think "middle class" is a meaningful term. Don't ask me.
  - dragontamer 10y ago
    This is actually be the most rational response I've gotten so far.
- massysett 10y ago
  There's no official or scientific definition of "middle class". Maybe it means the middle 95 percent. Triple the median still puts you well below the top 1 percent and below millionaire or billionaire. Since current political rhetoric singles those folks out as rich, it's no wonder most folks below that level would call themselves "middle class".
- massysett 10y ago
  There's no official or scientific definition of "middle class". Maybe it means the middle 95 percent. Triple the median still puts you well below the top 1 percent and below millionaire or billionaire. Since current political rhetoric singles those folks out as rich, it's no wonder most folks below that level would call themselves "middle class".
henrikschroder 10y ago
> and they're definitely both working-class in the strict material-relations sense Despite the name, having to work for a living isn't what puts you in the working class. What you work with, and how you value different types of work and education is what puts you there.

dragontamer 10y ago

Median household income in America is $53,482. That's both salaries mother and father combined. You've got to be kidding me if having a takehome income literally TRIPLE the median constitutes "middle class".

eli_gottlieb 10y ago
>That's both salaries mother and father combined. You've got to be kidding me if having a takehome income literally TRIPLE the median constitutes "middle class". Look, I don't even think "middle class" is a meaningful term. Don't ask me.
- dragontamer 10y ago
  This is actually be the most rational response I've gotten so far.
massysett 10y ago
There's no official or scientific definition of "middle class". Maybe it means the middle 95 percent. Triple the median still puts you well below the top 1 percent and below millionaire or billionaire. Since current political rhetoric singles those folks out as rich, it's no wonder most folks below that level would call themselves "middle class".
massysett 10y ago
There's no official or scientific definition of "middle class". Maybe it means the middle 95 percent. Triple the median still puts you well below the top 1 percent and below millionaire or billionaire. Since current political rhetoric singles those folks out as rich, it's no wonder most folks below that level would call themselves "middle class".

henrikschroder 10y ago

> and they're definitely both working-class in the strict material-relations sense Despite the name, having to work for a living isn't what puts you in the working class. What you work with, and how you value different types of work and education is what puts you there.