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Lock free != wait free > As I understand these data structures have no effects on multi-system environments and can only be applied to a single system I have

Lock free != wait free > As I understand these data structures have no effects on multi-system environments and can only be applied to a single system I have no idea where to even begin with this statement. By this logic, no optimizations should be made to operations in a single threaded or single process environment. Distributing computation helps you achieve scale and HURTS latency except for extremely long running tasks. And yes in games these sorts of things REALLY matter. Things are measured in tens to hundreds of microseconds and optimized accordingly. Not just games, but have you noticed how slow software has gotten of late? Deep learning, rendering, neural networks, AI, etc. Heck, even the browser that I'm typing this in is slow as shit and likely using far more memory than it is supposed to. What about compilers? Those things use trees, stacks, queues, etc and are getting slower all the time. It's the attitude that programmers don't need to care about this stuff that will permanently separate, in my opinion, engineers at the top of the curve from the rest.

hueving 10y ago
>that will permanently separate, in my opinion, engineers at the top of the curve from the rest. Precisely. The engineers at the top will understand cost benefit analysis and be okay with sub-optimal solutions while the rest sit and rant about how slow something is.
badestrand 10y ago
Sorry, but that optimization elitarism does not get anyone anywhere. Most software written today is quite high level, be it the >2 million apps or the >1 billion websites. In my household neither the smoke detector, toaster or washing mashine needs faster executed code. I understand where you are coming from but for optimizations such low level considerations should be among the last because they matter so little. Most of the time an additional caching structure or the like solves any performance issues.
- banachtarski 10y ago
  I mention in my reply specific applications where performance really does matter. I don't understand why issuing the strawman of pointing to things that I also trivially acknowledge are not performance sensitive really helps any.

hueving 10y ago

>that will permanently separate, in my opinion, engineers at the top of the curve from the rest. Precisely. The engineers at the top will understand cost benefit analysis and be okay with sub-optimal solutions while the rest sit and rant about how slow something is.

badestrand 10y ago

Sorry, but that optimization elitarism does not get anyone anywhere. Most software written today is quite high level, be it the >2 million apps or the >1 billion websites. In my household neither the smoke detector, toaster or washing mashine needs faster executed code. I understand where you are coming from but for optimizations such low level considerations should be among the last because they matter so little. Most of the time an additional caching structure or the like solves any performance issues.

banachtarski 10y ago
I mention in my reply specific applications where performance really does matter. I don't understand why issuing the strawman of pointing to things that I also trivially acknowledge are not performance sensitive really helps any.