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Why would the hacker news commentariat know more than actual doctors?

jmnicolas 10y ago
If you still trust doctors, you must be healthy ... once you start to have problems, especially the chronic kind, you will see that doctors don't know much and are just big pharma salesmen.
- dominotw 10y ago
  This has been totally true for me. 99% specialists I've seen are totally clueless. Some of them flat out said they have no clue and can't help me other than offering advice to rest.
  - colmvp 10y ago
    I have found that physiotherapists have been far more helpful for me in coping with chronic injuries than any doctor. I only wish I had met him far earlier in my life
  - x0x0 10y ago
    Find a sports physician. Ask around at a good powerlifting, strongman, olympic, or maybe even crossfit gym. (What is a good gym? They should have a lot of people squatting/dl over 500, and a handful 800+. There will be names on a leaderboard.) They'll know doctors that help you work through injuries. And foam roller your it band. Every evening, and maybe every morning as well. edit: with the it band, make sure it is your it band. Check with a good pt person that you don't have weak butt muscles (I forget which.) There's a simple test for this that involves lying on your side and raising a leg, but I don't think I can adequately explain it in text. source: 10 months on crutches and a very tight it band.
    - berntb 10y ago
      I second the suggestion for a specialized sport doctor. Especially for more complex joints, like knees and shoulders.
    - to3m 10y ago
      "500"? Permit me to channel my secondary school chemistry teacher: 500 elephants? 500 biscuits? Units, lad! UNITS. (Of course - I know you mean kg! But the point stands.)
      - x0x0 10y ago
        pounds 500kg = 1102lbs; the list of people who can dl that is: Eddie Hall. AFAIK only 4-5 men have dl'd over 1k lbs ever (regulation height, no suit, not tire deadlifts or some bs) -- Benny, Eddie, Andy Bolton, Jerry Pritchett, Brian Shaw. The list of 1000 pound squatters (no suit) is short too. Ed Coan, Malanichev, and a few others. Anyone who can squat 500 lbs is strong. To depth, obviously -- lots of people can do 500 lbs knee bends.
        to3m 10y ago
        Hash tag british humour. Ordinarily I'd deploy hash tag that was the joke... but your reply in this instance was far too informative, and I'd run the risk (?) of looking (?) like (?) a twat.
        x0x0 10y ago
        whoosh the sound of that joke going over my head =P
- chadcmulligan 10y ago
  Yes, it seems to me doctors have cures for a bunch of standard stuff that have been diagnosed over the years. If you have something that they don't know then you're on you're own and that's probably why there's such a huge alternative medicine market. If they want to operate get a second opinion (at least), if you or someone in your family have something that you think is a problem then keep going to doctors till you find a solution. Don't just take the first doctors answer if they don't know. If you're in the chronic pain or odd problem area though then if doctors can't help go the diet / alternative medicine route - they may have an answer. There's a lot modern medicine doesn't know, and most practitioners don't know it all anyway.
dominotw 10y ago
doctors have absolutely no idea how to treat any of this. Their standard NSAID/PT/Steroid shot combo is useless. Just trying to see if anyone here has tried not anything unconventional.
- chadcmulligan 10y ago
  Yes I had shoulder inflammation from tennis, doctors wanted to stick a needle in my shoulder regularly. Did some research and nope it doesn't work. I tried some weights and so on to get it fixed, it had some benefit but still there, so just thought I'd have to live with it. Some years later I took up some reformer pilates and it's gone! after only a few months exercise - it is truly a miracle. I recommend it to everyone who has aches and pains it's magic. I also had tennis elbow some years ago, the doctor had no advice, Tai Chi helped me with that, same principle I suppose - gentle exercises for the small muscles. Though the results from Pilates have worked everywhere.
- zsellera 10y ago
  I know someone close with very similar shittery as you do. As her symptoms began to develop, we visited doctor (someone considered to be a great one with big knowledge). To my biggest surprise, she was never given any PT/Steroid, but: - checked for a variety of autoimmune diseases - tested for Helicobacter - searched for dental-, cervix- and tonsil problems - was given vitamin D. Since she shows symptoms at multiple locations, no responsible doctor dares to try hardcore goodies like steroid-like AI drugs, since in case of an autoimmune root cause that could make things much worse. As medical professionals run out of ideas, they tend to identify mental background. Just ignore these notes and don't loose your trust. On one hand this is their natural response to their limits of knowledge; on the other hand many people stresses so much over their condition that they develop a mental root cause indeed.
meandinger 10y ago
Here is an example: One of the best treatments for tennis elbow is heavy icing. There is no financial incentive for anyone to tell you that.

If you still trust doctors, you must be healthy ... once you start to have problems, especially the chronic kind, you will see that doctors don't know much and are just big pharma salesmen.

dominotw 10y ago
This has been totally true for me. 99% specialists I've seen are totally clueless. Some of them flat out said they have no clue and can't help me other than offering advice to rest.
- colmvp 10y ago
  I have found that physiotherapists have been far more helpful for me in coping with chronic injuries than any doctor. I only wish I had met him far earlier in my life
- x0x0 10y ago
  Find a sports physician. Ask around at a good powerlifting, strongman, olympic, or maybe even crossfit gym. (What is a good gym? They should have a lot of people squatting/dl over 500, and a handful 800+. There will be names on a leaderboard.) They'll know doctors that help you work through injuries. And foam roller your it band. Every evening, and maybe every morning as well. edit: with the it band, make sure it is your it band. Check with a good pt person that you don't have weak butt muscles (I forget which.) There's a simple test for this that involves lying on your side and raising a leg, but I don't think I can adequately explain it in text. source: 10 months on crutches and a very tight it band.
  - berntb 10y ago
    I second the suggestion for a specialized sport doctor. Especially for more complex joints, like knees and shoulders.
  - to3m 10y ago
    "500"? Permit me to channel my secondary school chemistry teacher: 500 elephants? 500 biscuits? Units, lad! UNITS. (Of course - I know you mean kg! But the point stands.)
    - x0x0 10y ago
      pounds 500kg = 1102lbs; the list of people who can dl that is: Eddie Hall. AFAIK only 4-5 men have dl'd over 1k lbs ever (regulation height, no suit, not tire deadlifts or some bs) -- Benny, Eddie, Andy Bolton, Jerry Pritchett, Brian Shaw. The list of 1000 pound squatters (no suit) is short too. Ed Coan, Malanichev, and a few others. Anyone who can squat 500 lbs is strong. To depth, obviously -- lots of people can do 500 lbs knee bends.
      - to3m 10y ago
        Hash tag british humour. Ordinarily I'd deploy hash tag that was the joke... but your reply in this instance was far too informative, and I'd run the risk (?) of looking (?) like (?) a twat.
        x0x0 10y ago
        whoosh the sound of that joke going over my head =P
chadcmulligan 10y ago
Yes, it seems to me doctors have cures for a bunch of standard stuff that have been diagnosed over the years. If you have something that they don't know then you're on you're own and that's probably why there's such a huge alternative medicine market. If they want to operate get a second opinion (at least), if you or someone in your family have something that you think is a problem then keep going to doctors till you find a solution. Don't just take the first doctors answer if they don't know. If you're in the chronic pain or odd problem area though then if doctors can't help go the diet / alternative medicine route - they may have an answer. There's a lot modern medicine doesn't know, and most practitioners don't know it all anyway.

dominotw 10y ago

doctors have absolutely no idea how to treat any of this. Their standard NSAID/PT/Steroid shot combo is useless. Just trying to see if anyone here has tried not anything unconventional.

chadcmulligan 10y ago
Yes I had shoulder inflammation from tennis, doctors wanted to stick a needle in my shoulder regularly. Did some research and nope it doesn't work. I tried some weights and so on to get it fixed, it had some benefit but still there, so just thought I'd have to live with it. Some years later I took up some reformer pilates and it's gone! after only a few months exercise - it is truly a miracle. I recommend it to everyone who has aches and pains it's magic. I also had tennis elbow some years ago, the doctor had no advice, Tai Chi helped me with that, same principle I suppose - gentle exercises for the small muscles. Though the results from Pilates have worked everywhere.
zsellera 10y ago
I know someone close with very similar shittery as you do. As her symptoms began to develop, we visited doctor (someone considered to be a great one with big knowledge). To my biggest surprise, she was never given any PT/Steroid, but: - checked for a variety of autoimmune diseases - tested for Helicobacter - searched for dental-, cervix- and tonsil problems - was given vitamin D. Since she shows symptoms at multiple locations, no responsible doctor dares to try hardcore goodies like steroid-like AI drugs, since in case of an autoimmune root cause that could make things much worse. As medical professionals run out of ideas, they tend to identify mental background. Just ignore these notes and don't loose your trust. On one hand this is their natural response to their limits of knowledge; on the other hand many people stresses so much over their condition that they develop a mental root cause indeed.

meandinger 10y ago

Here is an example: One of the best treatments for tennis elbow is heavy icing. There is no financial incentive for anyone to tell you that.