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I've traveled between London and Paris frequently. I found the visibility of fundamentalist muslims in the UK to be much higher than anywhere in France. The bur

by yardie 10y ago

I've traveled between London and Paris frequently. I found the visibility of fundamentalist muslims in the UK to be much higher than anywhere in France. The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France (I believe the estimate was ~200 for the entire country). Yet, walking around London and it's outskirts this was a common sight. France has managed to avoid most islamic extremists by working closely with local mosques; by not treating them as the enemy but as a local resource. The extremists are spreading their views through the internet. They are not welcome in the mosque.

MicroBerto 10y ago
> France has managed to avoid most islamic extremists Yet any extremist can literally walk into France and terrorize, which is essentially what's happened. So perhaps the biggest difference the fact that Britain has a physical border wall?
- yardie 10y ago
  He was originally from Tunisia, there is a large body of water that separates them from France. Extremists can arrive by plane or boat. The same way they can get into the UK.
  - MicroBerto 10y ago
    Not in the significant numbers that have been coming into France by way of land. Statistically speaking, the fewer terrorists you allow into your country, combined with the fewer amounts of terrorist organizations you allow to operate in your country, the fewer terrorist attacks you will have.
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ismail 10y ago
"The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France" Niqaab/burka != terrorist
- yardie 10y ago
  No, it is an indicator of fundamentalists who, I feel, hold some really regressive and oppressive views on women and Western society. Extremism is the more virulent version of fundamentalists. The UK has decided that freedom of religion, no matter how intolerant it actually is, is to be protected. Even if it denies some human rights. France has decided that freedom of religion cannot supersede human rights, ever.
leonroy 10y ago
> The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France (I believe the estimate was ~200 for the entire country). Yet, walking around London and it's outskirts this was a common sight. I think outlawing religious dress or other iconography simply ends up giving ammunition to religious extremists and further divides already segregated communities from the mainstream.

by yardie 10y ago

MicroBerto 10y ago

> France has managed to avoid most islamic extremists Yet any extremist can literally walk into France and terrorize, which is essentially what's happened. So perhaps the biggest difference the fact that Britain has a physical border wall?

yardie 10y ago
He was originally from Tunisia, there is a large body of water that separates them from France. Extremists can arrive by plane or boat. The same way they can get into the UK.
- MicroBerto 10y ago
  Not in the significant numbers that have been coming into France by way of land. Statistically speaking, the fewer terrorists you allow into your country, combined with the fewer amounts of terrorist organizations you allow to operate in your country, the fewer terrorist attacks you will have.
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ismail 10y ago

"The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France" Niqaab/burka != terrorist

yardie 10y ago
No, it is an indicator of fundamentalists who, I feel, hold some really regressive and oppressive views on women and Western society. Extremism is the more virulent version of fundamentalists. The UK has decided that freedom of religion, no matter how intolerant it actually is, is to be protected. Even if it denies some human rights. France has decided that freedom of religion cannot supersede human rights, ever.

leonroy 10y ago

> The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France (I believe the estimate was ~200 for the entire country). Yet, walking around London and it's outskirts this was a common sight. I think outlawing religious dress or other iconography simply ends up giving ammunition to religious extremists and further divides already segregated communities from the mainstream.