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Attributing all this to intelligence sharing alone seems an oversimplification. I suspect the difference in the level of assimilation between British Muslims an

by hliyan 10y ago

Attributing all this to intelligence sharing alone seems an oversimplification. I suspect the difference in the level of assimilation between British Muslims and their French counterparts is the biggest factor.

hokkos 10y ago
The problem with French intelligence is the number of services : − la Direction générale de la sécurité intérieure (DGSI) − la Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure (DGSE) − le Service central du renseignement territorial (SCRT) − la Sous-direction de l’anticipation opérationnelle de la gendarmerie nationale (SDAO) − la Direction du renseignement militaire (DRM) − la Direction de la protection et de la sécurité de la Défense (DPSD) − la Direction du renseignement de la préfecture de police de Paris (DRPP) − la Direction nationale du renseignement et des enquêtes douanières (DNRED) − le Traitement du renseignement et action contre les circuits financiers clandestins (Tracfin) And the coordination services: − l’Unité de coordination de la lutte antiterroriste (UCLAT) qui n’a autorité que sur les services relevant de la police nationale − l’État-major opérationnel de prévention du terrorisme (EMOPT) directement rattaché au ministre de l’Intérieur − le Coordonnateur national du renseignement auprès du Président de la République A 2000 pages and 6 months enquirie by a bipartisan commission found we should unify them but it was promptly ignored by the government.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  > A 2000 pages and 6 months enquirie by a bipartisan commission You're saying like this is part of the solution, but it's part of the problem Though it seems that some of those still might make sense as a separate entity, like Tracfin and DNRED
yardie 10y ago
I've traveled between London and Paris frequently. I found the visibility of fundamentalist muslims in the UK to be much higher than anywhere in France. The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France (I believe the estimate was ~200 for the entire country). Yet, walking around London and it's outskirts this was a common sight. France has managed to avoid most islamic extremists by working closely with local mosques; by not treating them as the enemy but as a local resource. The extremists are spreading their views through the internet. They are not welcome in the mosque.
- MicroBerto 10y ago
  > France has managed to avoid most islamic extremists Yet any extremist can literally walk into France and terrorize, which is essentially what's happened. So perhaps the biggest difference the fact that Britain has a physical border wall?
  - yardie 10y ago
    He was originally from Tunisia, there is a large body of water that separates them from France. Extremists can arrive by plane or boat. The same way they can get into the UK.
    - MicroBerto 10y ago
      Not in the significant numbers that have been coming into France by way of land. Statistically speaking, the fewer terrorists you allow into your country, combined with the fewer amounts of terrorist organizations you allow to operate in your country, the fewer terrorist attacks you will have.
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- ismail 10y ago
  "The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France" Niqaab/burka != terrorist
  - yardie 10y ago
    No, it is an indicator of fundamentalists who, I feel, hold some really regressive and oppressive views on women and Western society. Extremism is the more virulent version of fundamentalists. The UK has decided that freedom of religion, no matter how intolerant it actually is, is to be protected. Even if it denies some human rights. France has decided that freedom of religion cannot supersede human rights, ever.
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by hliyan 10y ago

hokkos 10y ago

The problem with French intelligence is the number of services : − la Direction générale de la sécurité intérieure (DGSI) − la Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure (DGSE) − le Service central du renseignement territorial (SCRT) − la Sous-direction de l’anticipation opérationnelle de la gendarmerie nationale (SDAO) − la Direction du renseignement militaire (DRM) − la Direction de la protection et de la sécurité de la Défense (DPSD) − la Direction du renseignement de la préfecture de police de Paris (DRPP) − la Direction nationale du renseignement et des enquêtes douanières (DNRED) − le Traitement du renseignement et action contre les circuits financiers clandestins (Tracfin) And the coordination services: − l’Unité de coordination de la lutte antiterroriste (UCLAT) qui n’a autorité que sur les services relevant de la police nationale − l’État-major opérationnel de prévention du terrorisme (EMOPT) directement rattaché au ministre de l’Intérieur − le Coordonnateur national du renseignement auprès du Président de la République A 2000 pages and 6 months enquirie by a bipartisan commission found we should unify them but it was promptly ignored by the government.

raverbashing 10y ago
> A 2000 pages and 6 months enquirie by a bipartisan commission You're saying like this is part of the solution, but it's part of the problem Though it seems that some of those still might make sense as a separate entity, like Tracfin and DNRED

yardie 10y ago

I've traveled between London and Paris frequently. I found the visibility of fundamentalist muslims in the UK to be much higher than anywhere in France. The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France (I believe the estimate was ~200 for the entire country). Yet, walking around London and it's outskirts this was a common sight. France has managed to avoid most islamic extremists by working closely with local mosques; by not treating them as the enemy but as a local resource. The extremists are spreading their views through the internet. They are not welcome in the mosque.

MicroBerto 10y ago
> France has managed to avoid most islamic extremists Yet any extremist can literally walk into France and terrorize, which is essentially what's happened. So perhaps the biggest difference the fact that Britain has a physical border wall?
- yardie 10y ago
  He was originally from Tunisia, there is a large body of water that separates them from France. Extremists can arrive by plane or boat. The same way they can get into the UK.
  - MicroBerto 10y ago
    Not in the significant numbers that have been coming into France by way of land. Statistically speaking, the fewer terrorists you allow into your country, combined with the fewer amounts of terrorist organizations you allow to operate in your country, the fewer terrorist attacks you will have.
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ismail 10y ago
"The burka and niqab, for example, is not only illegal but even before being so it was extremely unpopular in France" Niqaab/burka != terrorist
- yardie 10y ago
  No, it is an indicator of fundamentalists who, I feel, hold some really regressive and oppressive views on women and Western society. Extremism is the more virulent version of fundamentalists. The UK has decided that freedom of religion, no matter how intolerant it actually is, is to be protected. Even if it denies some human rights. France has decided that freedom of religion cannot supersede human rights, ever.
10y ago