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Surprisingly poignant.

brazzy 17y ago
Surprisingly ignorant about what the word "Genocide" means. The Sith were not a people. Calling their prosecution "genocide" is like calling the death penalty in the USA a "genocide against murderers".
- yumraj 17y ago
  Well, first of all I'll take offense to The Sith were not a people. Who gave you the right to decide who is people and who is vermin (or whatever you mean by that statement). Secondly, who gives you the right to decide who lives and who dies. That is a very slippery slope and similar arguments have been used since as long as humans have been on this planet to prosecute and terminate whoever didn't agree with the majority. Edit: According to some replies below I seem to have misunderstood the above objection as the claim is that Sith were not "a people" as in were not a group/race/etc. but more like 1-2 persons who were terminated. If that is the case, I formally withdraw my above objection, else it still stands.
  - tome 17y ago
    "a people", not "people". There's an important difference!
  - benologist 17y ago
    Pretty sure I remember reading or seeing that there's only ever two Sith at any given time.... that's not even mass-murder let alone genocide?
    - rev087 17y ago
      As chops pointed out, that was only true during the Rule of Two. Before that, there was the Sith Empire.
  - astine 17y ago
    brazzy is using definition 3: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people
- dwwoelfel 17y ago
  I intended to write a comment with an explanation of how genocide can't be committed against a group formed by a shared ideology. I was going to illustrate my explanation by pointing to the extermination of Nazism. However, according to the definition on Wikipedia, genocide includes the destruction of, or the attempt to destroy, a national or religious group. The Sith certainly fit within that definition. So it turns out that the Allies committed genocide when they wiped out Nazism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
  - javert 17y ago
    So it turns out that the Allies committed genocide when they wiped out Nazism. No. The Allies did not commit mass murder (genocide) of Nazis. The Allies put Nazi high command on trial and basically let everyone else off the hook. Even if you think Nuremburg was a show trial, what happened was very far from genocide.
    - dwwoelfel 17y ago
      According to the definition, genocide is not mass murder. It is merely destruction. Your comment seems to imply that you think that I disapprove of the destruction of Nazism. Let me be clear: I think Nazism is evil and I'm glad it was destroyed. My comment was only pointing out that the destruction of Nazism was genocide by definition.
      - klipt 17y ago
        By that definition, writing a book to push the view that Scientology is bunk would be attempted genocide. Seems too broad a definition to be useful.
    - dnsworks 17y ago
      Not even during the bombing of dresden?
- chops 17y ago
  From Wookieepedia: The Sith Order was a sect of Force-sensitives who utilized the dark side of the Force. The term "Sith" originally referred to a species of alien native to the planets Korriban and Ziost, who were later enslaved and ruled by exiled Dark Jedi from the Galactic Republic...Following centuries of interbreeding and mixing of cultures between the aliens and the exiles, the Sith would no longer be identified by their race, but by their dedication to the ancient Sith philosophy. Furthermore, before Darth Bane (existing something like 1000 years before the destruction of the Death Star), who instituted the Rule of Two, there were many Sith running around (somewhere around 20,000 and even after the Rule of Two, many Sith Lords took other apprentices in secret). So there weren't always only a Sith Master and a Sith Apprentice.

Surprisingly ignorant about what the word "Genocide" means. The Sith were not a people. Calling their prosecution "genocide" is like calling the death penalty in the USA a "genocide against murderers".

yumraj 17y ago
Well, first of all I'll take offense to The Sith were not a people. Who gave you the right to decide who is people and who is vermin (or whatever you mean by that statement). Secondly, who gives you the right to decide who lives and who dies. That is a very slippery slope and similar arguments have been used since as long as humans have been on this planet to prosecute and terminate whoever didn't agree with the majority. Edit: According to some replies below I seem to have misunderstood the above objection as the claim is that Sith were not "a people" as in were not a group/race/etc. but more like 1-2 persons who were terminated. If that is the case, I formally withdraw my above objection, else it still stands.
- tome 17y ago
  "a people", not "people". There's an important difference!
- benologist 17y ago
  Pretty sure I remember reading or seeing that there's only ever two Sith at any given time.... that's not even mass-murder let alone genocide?
  - rev087 17y ago
    As chops pointed out, that was only true during the Rule of Two. Before that, there was the Sith Empire.
- astine 17y ago
  brazzy is using definition 3: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people
dwwoelfel 17y ago
I intended to write a comment with an explanation of how genocide can't be committed against a group formed by a shared ideology. I was going to illustrate my explanation by pointing to the extermination of Nazism. However, according to the definition on Wikipedia, genocide includes the destruction of, or the attempt to destroy, a national or religious group. The Sith certainly fit within that definition. So it turns out that the Allies committed genocide when they wiped out Nazism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
- javert 17y ago
  So it turns out that the Allies committed genocide when they wiped out Nazism. No. The Allies did not commit mass murder (genocide) of Nazis. The Allies put Nazi high command on trial and basically let everyone else off the hook. Even if you think Nuremburg was a show trial, what happened was very far from genocide.
  - dwwoelfel 17y ago
    According to the definition, genocide is not mass murder. It is merely destruction. Your comment seems to imply that you think that I disapprove of the destruction of Nazism. Let me be clear: I think Nazism is evil and I'm glad it was destroyed. My comment was only pointing out that the destruction of Nazism was genocide by definition.
    - klipt 17y ago
      By that definition, writing a book to push the view that Scientology is bunk would be attempted genocide. Seems too broad a definition to be useful.
  - dnsworks 17y ago
    Not even during the bombing of dresden?
chops 17y ago
From Wookieepedia: The Sith Order was a sect of Force-sensitives who utilized the dark side of the Force. The term "Sith" originally referred to a species of alien native to the planets Korriban and Ziost, who were later enslaved and ruled by exiled Dark Jedi from the Galactic Republic...Following centuries of interbreeding and mixing of cultures between the aliens and the exiles, the Sith would no longer be identified by their race, but by their dedication to the ancient Sith philosophy. Furthermore, before Darth Bane (existing something like 1000 years before the destruction of the Death Star), who instituted the Rule of Two, there were many Sith running around (somewhere around 20,000 and even after the Rule of Two, many Sith Lords took other apprentices in secret). So there weren't always only a Sith Master and a Sith Apprentice.