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The video that was censored in the blog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpBzF20_7M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpBzF20_7M The Pakistani Government was a

by bArray 10y ago

The video that was censored in the blog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpBzF20_7M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpBzF20_7M The Pakistani Government was a ridiculous situation. To me it was an example of how religion would literally cut off it's nose to spite it's face. Youtube offers them way more good than it does bad. I think the moment Governments got involved in the internet was where things went wrong. It should have been just complete freedom, regardless of what ended up being put on there with all the consequences of doing so.

olij 10y ago
You guys in the west have some seriously deep delusions about freedom and the internet. Or maybe I should say the brainwashing is strong from the people who most benefit from it. Ignorance, fear and corruption has increased despite the internet and some would rightly argue because of it. Just look at Trump, the rising power of the right wing in Europe, Turkey, India etc. You think debates about modernity and the religious status quo aren't going on within Muslim households all over the world without access to a fucking youtube video? This is the kind of superiority complex that justified Bush's Wars. Just know this just because they make you sing about freedom like robots from childhood doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to be singing with you. It's your song. It's your way of life and if others want it let them choose it without the "free internet" and all the consequences of it being shoved down our throats. And thank god for the Chinese.
- EC1 10y ago
  Then go back to the sand from where you came from and renounce the west. We don't want you here if you don't want to be here.
- bArray 10y ago
  I would like to point out that I'm not American and am well travelled, but yes I am from the "evil" West. I've been to Muslim Countries, I have a rough feel for how the people think. I understand there was a world before the internet and there will be a world without it. Not sure what your point was. My point was, with it, it should be free, open and without bias. I imagine your household conversations would be rather different if political/religious leaders were in your house and watching every conversation about freedom you have. Out of interest, why do you like Chinese way of life? Also, for some context, where are you from?
  - olinj2 10y ago
    Did I use the term "evil" west? This is a sign you guys come with your own pre-programming just like we do. And you need to be more aware of it. Delusional is what I said and I stand by it. You guys have elaborate rules governing contact and treatment of indigenous people from the amazon to the serengeti. But for some strange reason you guys are totally incapable of understanding putting people in under developed/mostly illiterate societies in contact with the massive ever increasing noise that is the "free internet" is damaging in the same way as non regulated contact with indigenous people. And this is why I said thank god for the "non free regulated Chinese internet" cause there is a counter point to the western way of thinking about an unregulated "free" internet which is really irresponsible.
    - greydius 10y ago
      So you are saying that governments are doing their citizens a service by filtering the internet for them? That's an interesting viewpoint, but not an easy sell to a delusional Westerner. We don't let our governments tell us how to think. That's the job of advertising.
      - bArray 10y ago
        > So you are saying that governments are doing their citizens a service by filtering the internet for them? If it was a service, they would fund an Ad-Block like add-on that their people could install on their browsers by their own choice. They could offer opt-in filtering on an internet provider level. It's obviously not a service. There seems to be some assumption that just because a majority may or may not want something in Pakistan, that they should suddenly enforce that on everybody. > That's an interesting viewpoint, but not an easy sell to a delusional Westerner. We don't let our governments tell us how to think. That's the job of advertising. In the UK, there is an advertising authority to ensure that advertising in the UK remains tasteful. In the UK, if you have some content that is sponsored by a company you have to make it clear from the start that is it so. I think it's fair to say that in the UK, not even the advertising authorities are aloud to tell the people what to do. And the recent brexit supports the idea that the government doesn't either.
atroyn 10y ago
'The moment government got involved in the Internet' would be from its inception as a government project for a communications network that could withstand nuclear war. Even if you mean the Web, that came out of CERN, another government project. Government has always been a part of telecom, it's key national infrastructure. Consumer level end to end crypto that can avoid government surveillance is a very new development.
- bArray 10y ago
  I wasn't clear, I meant more towards law and control. Each with their own agenda and waves of stupidity.
- apatters 10y ago
  A more defensible position, and doubtlessly closer to the parent's original intent, would be amending the statement to "the content of the Internet." I agree that government is becoming too involved in that.
  - bArray 10y ago
    Like the physical borders that separate land, the borders of the internet are also being drawn in the form of applications, IPs, ports, protocols, etc. To me it's sad, it never had to be that way.

by bArray 10y ago

olij 10y ago

You guys in the west have some seriously deep delusions about freedom and the internet. Or maybe I should say the brainwashing is strong from the people who most benefit from it. Ignorance, fear and corruption has increased despite the internet and some would rightly argue because of it. Just look at Trump, the rising power of the right wing in Europe, Turkey, India etc. You think debates about modernity and the religious status quo aren't going on within Muslim households all over the world without access to a fucking youtube video? This is the kind of superiority complex that justified Bush's Wars. Just know this just because they make you sing about freedom like robots from childhood doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to be singing with you. It's your song. It's your way of life and if others want it let them choose it without the "free internet" and all the consequences of it being shoved down our throats. And thank god for the Chinese.

EC1 10y ago
Then go back to the sand from where you came from and renounce the west. We don't want you here if you don't want to be here.
bArray 10y ago
I would like to point out that I'm not American and am well travelled, but yes I am from the "evil" West. I've been to Muslim Countries, I have a rough feel for how the people think. I understand there was a world before the internet and there will be a world without it. Not sure what your point was. My point was, with it, it should be free, open and without bias. I imagine your household conversations would be rather different if political/religious leaders were in your house and watching every conversation about freedom you have. Out of interest, why do you like Chinese way of life? Also, for some context, where are you from?
- olinj2 10y ago
  Did I use the term "evil" west? This is a sign you guys come with your own pre-programming just like we do. And you need to be more aware of it. Delusional is what I said and I stand by it. You guys have elaborate rules governing contact and treatment of indigenous people from the amazon to the serengeti. But for some strange reason you guys are totally incapable of understanding putting people in under developed/mostly illiterate societies in contact with the massive ever increasing noise that is the "free internet" is damaging in the same way as non regulated contact with indigenous people. And this is why I said thank god for the "non free regulated Chinese internet" cause there is a counter point to the western way of thinking about an unregulated "free" internet which is really irresponsible.
  - greydius 10y ago
    So you are saying that governments are doing their citizens a service by filtering the internet for them? That's an interesting viewpoint, but not an easy sell to a delusional Westerner. We don't let our governments tell us how to think. That's the job of advertising.
    - bArray 10y ago
      > So you are saying that governments are doing their citizens a service by filtering the internet for them? If it was a service, they would fund an Ad-Block like add-on that their people could install on their browsers by their own choice. They could offer opt-in filtering on an internet provider level. It's obviously not a service. There seems to be some assumption that just because a majority may or may not want something in Pakistan, that they should suddenly enforce that on everybody. > That's an interesting viewpoint, but not an easy sell to a delusional Westerner. We don't let our governments tell us how to think. That's the job of advertising. In the UK, there is an advertising authority to ensure that advertising in the UK remains tasteful. In the UK, if you have some content that is sponsored by a company you have to make it clear from the start that is it so. I think it's fair to say that in the UK, not even the advertising authorities are aloud to tell the people what to do. And the recent brexit supports the idea that the government doesn't either.

atroyn 10y ago

'The moment government got involved in the Internet' would be from its inception as a government project for a communications network that could withstand nuclear war. Even if you mean the Web, that came out of CERN, another government project. Government has always been a part of telecom, it's key national infrastructure. Consumer level end to end crypto that can avoid government surveillance is a very new development.

bArray 10y ago
I wasn't clear, I meant more towards law and control. Each with their own agenda and waves of stupidity.
apatters 10y ago
A more defensible position, and doubtlessly closer to the parent's original intent, would be amending the statement to "the content of the Internet." I agree that government is becoming too involved in that.
- bArray 10y ago
  Like the physical borders that separate land, the borders of the internet are also being drawn in the form of applications, IPs, ports, protocols, etc. To me it's sad, it never had to be that way.