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I realize this will probably be downvoted because it's not adding anything productive to the conversation but I agree with you 100%. I'm running in to that wit

I realize this will probably be downvoted because it's not adding anything productive to the conversation but I agree with you 100%. I'm running in to that with Go. Go even makes it super easy to break things out in to multiple files transparently and people still just toss everything in one file. In this specific case, and I am a super pedantic, anal retentive when it comes to python, I really wish more people would use pylint / pyflakes / flake8. Use 4 spaces, order & organize your imports so I can easily see what's third party and what's core and as pointed out organize the code in to modules when it makes sense. I know PEP-8 (& PEP-257) polarizes people and one of the biggest things I LOVE about Go is `gofmt` & `go vet`. Just follow a community standard so we don't spend so much brain power figuring out so many independent styles & conventions. And if everyone disagrees (pretty much everyone complains about 80 cols width) then it usually ends up coming up in other community discussions and the diversions become common and expected. Rant over- tl;dr I really love community style / organization guidelines, code organization and linting.

Waterluvian 10y ago
Everyone doing it the same way is far more valuable than individuals doing everything 5% faster. Every Python library I read is immediately accessible to me. This hasn't been the case for JavaScript.
wodenokoto 10y ago
I never understood why python allows both spaces and tabs as indentation. Even 2 or 3 spaces sometimes work. It seems odd to allow this and then ask everyone to use 4 spaces.
- andrepd 10y ago
  Because tabs make much more sense (to me personally) and so I would like to use them, and not have a specific convention imposed on me.
  - wodenokoto 10y ago
    You will always have syntax imposed on you. With python you have indentation imposed on you, whether you like it or not. In other languages, indentation is a style option. Using tabs makes your python code (potentially) incompatible with other peoples code, due to a style convention. This seems utterly crazy to me. Yes, I prefer tabs too, but this tabs/spaces/different number of space feels like if C had the option of using either curly braces or parenthesis for blocks.
    - andrepd 10y ago
      Point taken. I wish the decision was done to standardise tabs rather than spaces. But since the convention is now spaces, at least in Python, it would do well do follow those conventions.
- poooogles 10y ago
  This has changed a little in Python 3 which disallows mixing the use of tabs and spaces for indentation.
- minitech 10y ago
  > Even 2 or 3 spaces sometimes work. What? Every number of spaces always works. Anyway, it's nice to separate style recommendations and syntax.
realpeach 10y ago
You mean the sub-directory level structure with a file somewhere that defines the name of your TODO app?
userbinator 10y ago
Go even makes it super easy to break things out in to multiple files transparently and people still just toss everything in one file. I've heard it phrased thus: "scrolling through one file is easier than jumping around between files", and that fits with my experience. That said, although I'm not very familiar with Python, this file does have a lot of "verticality" with lines like t q[2]; h q[2]; h q[0]; h q[1]; ... which I would try to express in a bit more compact form, and I'd think stuff like this could be better written with arrays and/or procedurally generated: self.three_qubits_000=np.kron(self.two_qubits_00,State.zero_state) self.three_qubits_001=np.kron(self.two_qubits_00,State.one_state) ...

Waterluvian 10y ago

Everyone doing it the same way is far more valuable than individuals doing everything 5% faster. Every Python library I read is immediately accessible to me. This hasn't been the case for JavaScript.

wodenokoto 10y ago

I never understood why python allows both spaces and tabs as indentation. Even 2 or 3 spaces sometimes work. It seems odd to allow this and then ask everyone to use 4 spaces.

andrepd 10y ago
Because tabs make much more sense (to me personally) and so I would like to use them, and not have a specific convention imposed on me.
- wodenokoto 10y ago
  You will always have syntax imposed on you. With python you have indentation imposed on you, whether you like it or not. In other languages, indentation is a style option. Using tabs makes your python code (potentially) incompatible with other peoples code, due to a style convention. This seems utterly crazy to me. Yes, I prefer tabs too, but this tabs/spaces/different number of space feels like if C had the option of using either curly braces or parenthesis for blocks.
  - andrepd 10y ago
    Point taken. I wish the decision was done to standardise tabs rather than spaces. But since the convention is now spaces, at least in Python, it would do well do follow those conventions.
poooogles 10y ago
This has changed a little in Python 3 which disallows mixing the use of tabs and spaces for indentation.
minitech 10y ago
> Even 2 or 3 spaces sometimes work. What? Every number of spaces always works. Anyway, it's nice to separate style recommendations and syntax.

realpeach 10y ago

You mean the sub-directory level structure with a file somewhere that defines the name of your TODO app?

userbinator 10y ago

Go even makes it super easy to break things out in to multiple files transparently and people still just toss everything in one file. I've heard it phrased thus: "scrolling through one file is easier than jumping around between files", and that fits with my experience. That said, although I'm not very familiar with Python, this file does have a lot of "verticality" with lines like t q[2]; h q[2]; h q[0]; h q[1]; ... which I would try to express in a bit more compact form, and I'd think stuff like this could be better written with arrays and/or procedurally generated: self.three_qubits_000=np.kron(self.two_qubits_00,State.zero_state) self.three_qubits_001=np.kron(self.two_qubits_00,State.one_state) ...