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>how can we get rid of you? Well, you could try voting for national politicians and EP fractions that doesn't like the person in question. It's unlikely to suc

by tormeh 10y ago

>how can we get rid of you? Well, you could try voting for national politicians and EP fractions that doesn't like the person in question. It's unlikely to succeed, for much the same reason that voting to get rid of national politicians is unlikely to succeed, but that's more of a tyranny of the majority kind of thing.

iofj 10y ago
Really ? There were 5 referenda on the EU's coming into being. The EU lost all but one of them. So it's really more of a tyranny of the minority. Clearly one cannot get rid of the EU by voting against it - as it would be gone already. The referenda: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_r... 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_re... 3) Same referendum in Spain (technically also in Luxemburg) 4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum,_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European... 5) Brexit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_withdrawal_from... 6 - sort of) The election on blocking EU policy with regards to debt in Greece under Syriza, which the EU clearly lost Needless to say, the EU is not a big fan of elections. You see, the big problem with Brexit, according to the highest EU authorities is that David Cameron allowed the vote in the first place [1]. [1] (for example) http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-results-spurned-europe-wants-the-uk-gone-20160625-gpruzo.html http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-results-spurned-europe-wa... They have since realized just how stupid this attitude is politically, but clearly they were expecting Cameron to do what all other governments have done when EU lost an election or a vote : ignore the vote, and soldier on regardless. The only thing the EU ever cared about is big business and huge multinationals, a fact that is blatantly obvious from reading articles about the commission. It is not a government of the people, as it rejects the people and is rejected by the people (You should visit even Brussels itself and talk to the locals). And of course it's treatment of Greece showed what the EU will do when people get in trouble. Kick them - hard - when they're down. After your pension retroactively gets downgraded by almost 50%, they'll do that a second time just to improve election prospects for foreign politicians. By all democratic principles, it should be destroyed. That will be a great day for democracy.

by tormeh 10y ago

iofj 10y ago

Really ? There were 5 referenda on the EU's coming into being. The EU lost all but one of them. So it's really more of a tyranny of the minority. Clearly one cannot get rid of the EU by voting against it - as it would be gone already. The referenda: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_r... 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_re... 3) Same referendum in Spain (technically also in Luxemburg) 4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum,_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European... 5) Brexit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_withdrawal_from... 6 - sort of) The election on blocking EU policy with regards to debt in Greece under Syriza, which the EU clearly lost Needless to say, the EU is not a big fan of elections. You see, the big problem with Brexit, according to the highest EU authorities is that David Cameron allowed the vote in the first place [1]. [1] (for example) http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-results-spurned-europe-wants-the-uk-gone-20160625-gpruzo.html http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-results-spurned-europe-wa... They have since realized just how stupid this attitude is politically, but clearly they were expecting Cameron to do what all other governments have done when EU lost an election or a vote : ignore the vote, and soldier on regardless. The only thing the EU ever cared about is big business and huge multinationals, a fact that is blatantly obvious from reading articles about the commission. It is not a government of the people, as it rejects the people and is rejected by the people (You should visit even Brussels itself and talk to the locals). And of course it's treatment of Greece showed what the EU will do when people get in trouble. Kick them - hard - when they're down. After your pension retroactively gets downgraded by almost 50%, they'll do that a second time just to improve election prospects for foreign politicians. By all democratic principles, it should be destroyed. That will be a great day for democracy.