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Turkey had its chance. Ersogan proves that islamhas a much longer road to go still.
by blahi 10y ago
Turkey had its chance. Ersogan proves that islamhas a much longer road to go still.
- gkya 10y agoI've gone through too much tonight to bother say anything about your ignorance. But sitting and waiting won't earn anything to anybody. Turkey as a member would be useful to EU. However if we had a popular vote now on whether to bother continue the negotiations, it'd certainly come out no, because the demeaning, hubristic, and unstable approach of the EU in our regards.
- blahi 10y agoYeah a dictator oppressing media and opposition definitely fits the EU, you are right and I am ignorant.
- gkya 10y agoTurkey's EU negotiations started in AFAIK 1958. My country does not consist of Erdoğan. Let aside membership, if sincerity and welcomeness was shown, fundamentalists wouldn't be able to do more than dwell some mosques here. And, Orban?
- blahi 10y agoOh so now the EU is at fault for problems in Turkey? This is, what, the 6th coup d'etat in Turkey since the second world war? How do you expect the EU to accept such an unstable country? Turkey has had a problem keeping the secular regime since Ataturk. You are obviously not ready. Islam is obviously not ready to take a backseat and let democracy do its thing. And if Turkey isn't ready, no Islamic country is ready.
- gkya 10y agoThe EU is not at fault, but could've helped positive progress. But in your comments I can see why that hasn't been possible.
- blahi 10y agoIt hasn't been possible because the military changes the regime every 10 years. If the EU goes and backs up one guy, this will polarize the next guy. Get your shit together and then ask for help.
- gkya 10y agoNobody's asking for help, all I said was that it could've been a mutually useful relationship, but it didn't. Also, there are only two actual coups in turkish past, 61 and 80. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have responded to you, as your arrogant and ignorant attitude was obvious from your initial comment on the thread, and your past comments clearly show that you're tendent to blindly post offensive, low-quality stuff. I won't respond to you any further.
- blahi 10y agoThe only arrogant one here is you. You blame the EU for Islam's obvious problems. "If the EU helped us it wouldn't have been like that". No, the EU is not here to help you. The EU is here to help itself. It acts only in self-interest as everybody should. If you can't get your shit together, you have only yourself to blame.
- dang 10y agoThe two of you broke the HN guidelines badly with this uncivil spat. We've asked you not to do this before, and if you post uncivilly again, we will ban your account
- dang 10y agoI'm late responding to this, but the two of you broke the HN guidelines badly with this uncivil spat. We've asked you not to do this before, and if you post uncivilly again, we will ban your account.
- bArray 10y agoPeople hate change and anything that challenges their current perceptions. Don't take it too personally. I completely agree with what you've said regardless of whether I want it to be false. The EU certainly requires some changing as yet.
- gkya 10y agoThanks. I couldn't not respond because that was really arrogant of him and I do know many think similarly. Ultimately I am an atheist, so not directly affected by his words, but that stance causes many problems unfortunately.
- dang 10y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12105159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12105159 and marked it off-topic.