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It's really something to watch how absolutely angry men on reddit are about Ghostbusters. It's kind of beyond words for me how incredibly childish and petty it

It's really something to watch how absolutely angry men on reddit are about Ghostbusters. It's kind of beyond words for me how incredibly childish and petty it makes them appear, while simultaneously giving fuel to the notion that there is a surge of misogyny in reaction to things labeled as "feminism", as if a female-reboot of Ghostbusters ought to be deemed an act of 'feminism'. Kind of similar to the backlash of outright racism on reddit that happens everytime the nation has to talk about racial issues as the result of yet more violence against or involving minorities. It's like, maybe if you weren't screeching about and denigrating feminism and anti-racism efforts... people wouldn't perceive you as being anti-woman and anti-minority. Sorry, probably a bit political, but it's more or less the phenomena that the article is actually tip-toeing around. (And yes, there have been campaigns organized on reddit to astroturf Ghostbuster ratings.)

Torgo 10y ago
It is impossible to separate out however, how the movie was marketed and how people that rely on controversy for attention have fueled this fire. For instance, a reasonable human being would agree that you might just not like the new Ghostbusters. I saw a Twitter exchange with Devin Faraci saying, no, in fact if you don't like it you hate women. Full stop. When asked why that would be so, he replied "I don't know why you're a misogynist, probably because girls don't like you." Even he doesn't really believe that. But he makes his money by stirring shit and getting attention for himself. This is the classic definition of "Internet Troll." It feeds right in to the other side wanting to believe that, basically, exactly what he said. This movie is in part so incredibly polarizing because a bunch of bottom feeders benefit from making it as polarizing as possible (this includes at least some of the people doing marketing for the film itself.) It is horrifying to think that advertising of the future is going to be based around sowing social dissolution in such an obvious way.
tracker1 10y ago
I'm not sure what the opposite of misogyny would be called, I'm not particularly upset about the reboot, or the mostly female cast... I'm a bit upset about the role of Chris Hemsworth in the new movie, which is very different and sexist compared to the role that Annie Potts played. At least that's how it comes across in the previews that I've seen. It's pretty obvious sexism, and the same people who would pan this type of sexism with reversed roles are in favor of it here. It's hypocritical. Personally, I'll probably see the movie anyway, just find that bit of hypocrisy irritating, especially since it's a pretty obvious skew from the original character with the female role.
- chadgeidel 10y ago
  Misandry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry
- colemickens 10y ago
  >It's pretty obvious sexism, and the same people who would pan this type of sexism with reversed roles are in favor of it here. It's hypocritical. While I understand the criticism that his character's role doesn't map to the original character's role... is it possible that this is an example of what it means to "punch up"? What does it mean that there is so much hand-wringing about Chris's character and yet when a female plays that role in basically every other movie that comes out... much less is vocalized by the folks upset at Ghostbusters? I dunno, it still seems like a weird thing to spend this much time trying to form a strong opinion on (I say ironically as I keep thinking about it). I wish studios would leave classics alone but that ship has long since sailed. If they had to reboot it, I think the gender reversal is kind of novel.
  - tracker1 10y ago
    I'm upset at the dramatic change in the role of the character... beyond this, I don't have a problem with guys or women playing a sex-figure in a movie... It happens a lot. My issue mainly comes from the marketing of the movie, and the change in the character for the movie. There are plenty of people that get upset by reboots of a movie in any number of ways. Likewise, I didn't get upset when they made Starbuck and Boomer women. It wasn't that they changed the gender role, or even elaborated on the nature of a character or role, but that they fundamentally changed that character.
nailer 10y ago
Every man in ther film is either an asshole or an idiot, they kill the final ghost by shooting it in the dick, and you think the film's critics hate women? OK.
- colemickens 10y ago
  >you think the film's critics hate women? OK. I actually didn't say that the film's critics hate women, at all, but thanks for the straw man and having an exaggerated reaction to a topic related to feminism. Not like I figured that was going to happen... Anyway, I said that there were men who were angry about the film because they perceived the gender-reversal as some slight against them and rallied against it as "feminism" (but usually with the typical adjectives "feminazi" etc). There are threads active on reddit, right now, showing this behavior, and threads from weeks past where they attempted to organize shilled review-bashing to "send a message". Also, I actually read the article which shows that men's reviews are statistically significantly diverged from the average critic's review. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though. >Every man in ther film is either an asshole or an idiot I'm sure you are equally critical of most female roles in most films then, yeah? You've heard of The Bechdel Test? >they kill the final ghost by shooting it in the dick Sounds like it fits in with the original, at least as I remember.

Torgo 10y ago

It is impossible to separate out however, how the movie was marketed and how people that rely on controversy for attention have fueled this fire. For instance, a reasonable human being would agree that you might just not like the new Ghostbusters. I saw a Twitter exchange with Devin Faraci saying, no, in fact if you don't like it you hate women. Full stop. When asked why that would be so, he replied "I don't know why you're a misogynist, probably because girls don't like you." Even he doesn't really believe that. But he makes his money by stirring shit and getting attention for himself. This is the classic definition of "Internet Troll." It feeds right in to the other side wanting to believe that, basically, exactly what he said. This movie is in part so incredibly polarizing because a bunch of bottom feeders benefit from making it as polarizing as possible (this includes at least some of the people doing marketing for the film itself.) It is horrifying to think that advertising of the future is going to be based around sowing social dissolution in such an obvious way.

tracker1 10y ago

I'm not sure what the opposite of misogyny would be called, I'm not particularly upset about the reboot, or the mostly female cast... I'm a bit upset about the role of Chris Hemsworth in the new movie, which is very different and sexist compared to the role that Annie Potts played. At least that's how it comes across in the previews that I've seen. It's pretty obvious sexism, and the same people who would pan this type of sexism with reversed roles are in favor of it here. It's hypocritical. Personally, I'll probably see the movie anyway, just find that bit of hypocrisy irritating, especially since it's a pretty obvious skew from the original character with the female role.

chadgeidel 10y ago
Misandry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry
colemickens 10y ago
>It's pretty obvious sexism, and the same people who would pan this type of sexism with reversed roles are in favor of it here. It's hypocritical. While I understand the criticism that his character's role doesn't map to the original character's role... is it possible that this is an example of what it means to "punch up"? What does it mean that there is so much hand-wringing about Chris's character and yet when a female plays that role in basically every other movie that comes out... much less is vocalized by the folks upset at Ghostbusters? I dunno, it still seems like a weird thing to spend this much time trying to form a strong opinion on (I say ironically as I keep thinking about it). I wish studios would leave classics alone but that ship has long since sailed. If they had to reboot it, I think the gender reversal is kind of novel.
- tracker1 10y ago
  I'm upset at the dramatic change in the role of the character... beyond this, I don't have a problem with guys or women playing a sex-figure in a movie... It happens a lot. My issue mainly comes from the marketing of the movie, and the change in the character for the movie. There are plenty of people that get upset by reboots of a movie in any number of ways. Likewise, I didn't get upset when they made Starbuck and Boomer women. It wasn't that they changed the gender role, or even elaborated on the nature of a character or role, but that they fundamentally changed that character.

nailer 10y ago

Every man in ther film is either an asshole or an idiot, they kill the final ghost by shooting it in the dick, and you think the film's critics hate women? OK.

colemickens 10y ago
>you think the film's critics hate women? OK. I actually didn't say that the film's critics hate women, at all, but thanks for the straw man and having an exaggerated reaction to a topic related to feminism. Not like I figured that was going to happen... Anyway, I said that there were men who were angry about the film because they perceived the gender-reversal as some slight against them and rallied against it as "feminism" (but usually with the typical adjectives "feminazi" etc). There are threads active on reddit, right now, showing this behavior, and threads from weeks past where they attempted to organize shilled review-bashing to "send a message". Also, I actually read the article which shows that men's reviews are statistically significantly diverged from the average critic's review. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though. >Every man in ther film is either an asshole or an idiot I'm sure you are equally critical of most female roles in most films then, yeah? You've heard of The Bechdel Test? >they kill the final ghost by shooting it in the dick Sounds like it fits in with the original, at least as I remember.