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Incredible and pretty freighting too. NATO member, EU associate.

by chvid 10y ago

ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
This isn't the first coup Turkey has had, and NATO survived.
- chvid 10y ago
  It is not 1975 anymore.
  - jychang 10y ago
    The last military coup in Turkey was in 1997. They're in the business of doing this stuff.
    - oblio 10y ago
      The Wikipedia page for the 1997 one is bordering between hilarious and amazing: > At the National Security Council (MGK) meeting on 28 February 1997, the generals submitted their views on issues regarding secularism and political Islam on Turkey to the government. The MGK made several decisions during this meeting, and Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan from the Welfare Party was forced to sign the decisions, some of which were: * Eight years of primary school education * Shutting down many religious schools opened during his term * Abolition of Tarikats (sectarian groups) I'd be expecting those demands from a liberal group, not the military! :)
    - usrusr 10y ago
      A.k.a. the most well armed constitutional court on the planet. Given the rate at which Erdogan has supposedly already replaced kemalists in the military leadership, i wonder if this might actually be a false flag operation to lure the last remaining critics into the light and in front of courts. That would certainly be an effective way to finally break any risk of armed defense of the constitution.
  - mveety 10y ago
    I don't see how it's any different now for the army to seize power.
  - chvid 10y ago
    (Or maybe it is ...) Isn't Erdogan noturious for consolidating his power by putting his people in all branches of government including the military? Is all of the military loyal to the coup makers? If the connections between Erdogan and Islamic State are real; then ousting Erdogan through a coup sends more powerful people, money, public sympathy in the way of IS.
tormeh 10y ago
I'm less scared of a coup than I am of Erdogan turning into a Putinesque figure. I know strongmen are fashionable right now, but I don't really like that trend. The military and old elite in Turkey are very corrupt, but they've never squashed freedom of press the same way Erdogan has. If you believe in personal liberty, the military is actually better than the democratically elected strongman, however absurd that sounds.
venomsnake 10y ago
And NATO membership is the reason we must Turkey urgently needs a coup. Authoritarian Islamist that US is obliged to protect is too much. I am almost sure it has the blessing of Washington. Also Erdogan wormed his relations with Putin recently.
- rurban 10y ago
  Not only Washington. Whole Europe was waiting for this to happen to restore the constitution.
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syngrog66 10y ago
and the US supposedly keeps nukes on Turkish soil at the Incirlik air base, as part of its NATO role. it seems incredibly unwise to me, given its a Muslim country bordering ISIS, Syria, Iraq. and its a Muslim country with a known history of coups. a messy/failed coup attempt could degrade into a civil war, or, continuing anarchy. in such a situation, I can picture scenarios where the US nukes at Incirlik fall into the hands of... people who may wish us harm. For example, ISIS or another terror group. I think the US gov does lots of dangerously irresponsible things, this is just the latest example of one of them being brought into sharp focus.
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Incredible and pretty freighting too. NATO member, EU associate.

by chvid 10y ago

Incredible and pretty freighting too. NATO member, EU associate.

ZanyProgrammer 10y ago

This isn't the first coup Turkey has had, and NATO survived.

chvid 10y ago
It is not 1975 anymore.
- jychang 10y ago
  The last military coup in Turkey was in 1997. They're in the business of doing this stuff.
  - oblio 10y ago
    The Wikipedia page for the 1997 one is bordering between hilarious and amazing: > At the National Security Council (MGK) meeting on 28 February 1997, the generals submitted their views on issues regarding secularism and political Islam on Turkey to the government. The MGK made several decisions during this meeting, and Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan from the Welfare Party was forced to sign the decisions, some of which were: * Eight years of primary school education * Shutting down many religious schools opened during his term * Abolition of Tarikats (sectarian groups) I'd be expecting those demands from a liberal group, not the military! :)
  - usrusr 10y ago
    A.k.a. the most well armed constitutional court on the planet. Given the rate at which Erdogan has supposedly already replaced kemalists in the military leadership, i wonder if this might actually be a false flag operation to lure the last remaining critics into the light and in front of courts. That would certainly be an effective way to finally break any risk of armed defense of the constitution.
- mveety 10y ago
  I don't see how it's any different now for the army to seize power.
- chvid 10y ago
  (Or maybe it is ...) Isn't Erdogan noturious for consolidating his power by putting his people in all branches of government including the military? Is all of the military loyal to the coup makers? If the connections between Erdogan and Islamic State are real; then ousting Erdogan through a coup sends more powerful people, money, public sympathy in the way of IS.

tormeh 10y ago

I'm less scared of a coup than I am of Erdogan turning into a Putinesque figure. I know strongmen are fashionable right now, but I don't really like that trend. The military and old elite in Turkey are very corrupt, but they've never squashed freedom of press the same way Erdogan has. If you believe in personal liberty, the military is actually better than the democratically elected strongman, however absurd that sounds.

venomsnake 10y ago

And NATO membership is the reason we must Turkey urgently needs a coup. Authoritarian Islamist that US is obliged to protect is too much. I am almost sure it has the blessing of Washington. Also Erdogan wormed his relations with Putin recently.

rurban 10y ago
Not only Washington. Whole Europe was waiting for this to happen to restore the constitution.
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syngrog66 10y ago

and the US supposedly keeps nukes on Turkish soil at the Incirlik air base, as part of its NATO role. it seems incredibly unwise to me, given its a Muslim country bordering ISIS, Syria, Iraq. and its a Muslim country with a known history of coups. a messy/failed coup attempt could degrade into a civil war, or, continuing anarchy. in such a situation, I can picture scenarios where the US nukes at Incirlik fall into the hands of... people who may wish us harm. For example, ISIS or another terror group. I think the US gov does lots of dangerously irresponsible things, this is just the latest example of one of them being brought into sharp focus.

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