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>ESR is an embarrassment I have actually read some of his material and found your statement somewhat confusing. Is it that you dislike him as a person or is the

by iamjeff 10y ago

>ESR is an embarrassment I have actually read some of his material and found your statement somewhat confusing. Is it that you dislike him as a person or is there something that I missed completely? Is there any other material that would give a clearer and perhaps more authentic explanation of these ethos (cause, frankly, I though that ESR did a good job there)? *Pardon my grammar, ESL bro.

jshevek 10y ago
Please forive the lenthy disclaimer/preamble: I very strongly believe that when we consider some subset of a person's words or their work - that we should treat it on its own merits, and not contaminated with tangential arguments about the person themself or their other, unrelated words, claims, works, etc. So I mentioned my position (that he is an embarrassment) to make clear to the parent poster that I wasn't defending ESR per se - before immediately declaring that our shared distaste of ESR is not relevant to the discussion. I'm replying out of courtesy, since you asked, but I don't think discussing negative aspects of ESR is relevant to the larger topics here. > more authentic explanation of these ethos (cause, frankly, I though that ESR did a good job there)? I think ESR's comments on the hacker ethos are just fine. His other positions and writing in no way detracts from this. I think there are many places where ESR did 'a good job'. > is there something that I missed completely? I don't have any fair or balanced sources to share with you, but if you'd like to see links cherry picked by people who have a heavy anti-ESR bias, you can check out the not-so-rational "rationalwiki". I don't endorse nor agree with all that's said here, but it sheds light on why some people dislike ESR. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond#Footnotes http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond#Footnotes Edit: A more concise summary is found in this person's views: http://cal-harding.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-i-hate-eric-raymond.html http://cal-harding.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-i-hate-eric-raym... Also, see daveloyall's comments on this page. I don't fully agree with him either, but they are illuminating.
- iamjeff 10y ago
  Thank you for taking the time out to reply. I won't press on this issue any longer; I believe that the links that you have provided are adequate starting points for understanding this issue a little better. Once again, thank you for the reply. PS: Some of the comments that ESR has made over the years are shocking; I was absolutely gutted to note as much after reading Harding's blog.

by iamjeff 10y ago

jshevek 10y ago

Please forive the lenthy disclaimer/preamble: I very strongly believe that when we consider some subset of a person's words or their work - that we should treat it on its own merits, and not contaminated with tangential arguments about the person themself or their other, unrelated words, claims, works, etc. So I mentioned my position (that he is an embarrassment) to make clear to the parent poster that I wasn't defending ESR per se - before immediately declaring that our shared distaste of ESR is not relevant to the discussion. I'm replying out of courtesy, since you asked, but I don't think discussing negative aspects of ESR is relevant to the larger topics here. > more authentic explanation of these ethos (cause, frankly, I though that ESR did a good job there)? I think ESR's comments on the hacker ethos are just fine. His other positions and writing in no way detracts from this. I think there are many places where ESR did 'a good job'. > is there something that I missed completely? I don't have any fair or balanced sources to share with you, but if you'd like to see links cherry picked by people who have a heavy anti-ESR bias, you can check out the not-so-rational "rationalwiki". I don't endorse nor agree with all that's said here, but it sheds light on why some people dislike ESR. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond#Footnotes http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond#Footnotes Edit: A more concise summary is found in this person's views: http://cal-harding.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-i-hate-eric-raymond.html http://cal-harding.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-i-hate-eric-raym... Also, see daveloyall's comments on this page. I don't fully agree with him either, but they are illuminating.

iamjeff 10y ago
Thank you for taking the time out to reply. I won't press on this issue any longer; I believe that the links that you have provided are adequate starting points for understanding this issue a little better. Once again, thank you for the reply. PS: Some of the comments that ESR has made over the years are shocking; I was absolutely gutted to note as much after reading Harding's blog.