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Recent immigrants and their children will speak differently, dress differently, act differently and probably live in different places than multi-generation Amer
by ubernostrum 10y ago
Recent immigrants and their children will speak differently, dress differently, act differently and probably live in different places than multi-generation American black families. This creates a difference wherein the immigrant is perceived as not displaying the "bad" aspects of "black culture" (i.e., the immigrant's English is unlikely to be AAVE, which is a gigantic leg up right off the bat in terms of how they'll be perceived by white peers, and may even be considered pleasing; the immigrant will probably dress more "white", etc. etc.). Which gets right back to... you guessed it, systemic racism labeling "black culture" as an inherently bad or inferior thing.
- jimmywanger 10y agoWe're talking about "system racism" and "culture", which was my point in its entirety. Racism deals with race - the genetic identity you have. Everything you're talking about deals with culture. Systemic culturism might be a thing, but you have not dealt with systemic racism.
- tptacek 10y agoThe problem being discussed is prejudice. Whether that prejudice comes from some nebulous idea of "race" or "culture" or something else is besides the point.
- jimmywanger 10y agoNo, that's precisely the point. The hiring data from high tech companies is not broken down by culture, but by race. They're saying that racial equality is the important bit, and if black people aren't equally represented then there's prejudice. According to that logic, it doesn't matter what culture the person has, as long as they have African ancestry. It doesn't matter if they're part of a high achieving immigrant community, or a low achieving black american community. THAT's the part that makes no sense to me.
- kmicklas 10y agoAs nice as etymologically transparent definitions are, that's not what racism means. (It includes the culture component.)