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I once tried to learn Angular, but failed miserably. The documentation is so awful and the framework is so bloated. So I gave a chance to React and I liked it

I once tried to learn Angular, but failed miserably. The documentation is so awful and the framework is so bloated. So I gave a chance to React and I liked it first, easier to learn, object-oriented, etc. But now I found [VueJS](https://vuejs.org/ https://vuejs.org/), which is even simpler. You don't need to deal with the painful tooling of React (webpack and a huge number of files in a node_modules folder), it works out-of-the-box. Include the script tag and start coding, this is how things should work! The simpler, the better.

kylestlb 10y ago
Neither framework requires you to use webpack out of the box. But even VueJS creators offer a big tooling solution (check out vue-cli).
- ahacker15 10y ago
  Yes, but with Vue it is optional. With React, it's required to use the tooling, specially because doing React without JSX is not fun.
  - RobertoG 10y ago
    Not so optional. You arrive to vue searching for simplicity and, when you start with Vuejs, you don't even need to download vue, you can use it from a CDN. Then you want to make a component, so you start typing the html in your javascript (because less is more!). Soon enough, you realize what a mess that is, so you decide to separate your component in the vue.js way. Then you realize that in order to 'compile' your component you need a preprocessor (webpack for instance). So you want to install webpack, and the sane way for that is npm. So you have to install node in order to install webpack in order to write .vue component files (that, by the way, your IDE doesn't know how to show) Then you start to think in going back to Angular. Naa, just joking, vue-cli is a good invention (when it works). Despite everything I said, I think I'm going to stay with Vue.js for a while. I really would like that Elm was in a more mature state.
  - ascagnel_ 10y ago
    You can transpile JSX to ES5 with Babel & it's plugin.
  - raquo 10y ago
    You can use hyperscript instead of JSX, no need to transpile anything, no need for webpack

kylestlb 10y ago

Neither framework requires you to use webpack out of the box. But even VueJS creators offer a big tooling solution (check out vue-cli).

ahacker15 10y ago
Yes, but with Vue it is optional. With React, it's required to use the tooling, specially because doing React without JSX is not fun.
- RobertoG 10y ago
  Not so optional. You arrive to vue searching for simplicity and, when you start with Vuejs, you don't even need to download vue, you can use it from a CDN. Then you want to make a component, so you start typing the html in your javascript (because less is more!). Soon enough, you realize what a mess that is, so you decide to separate your component in the vue.js way. Then you realize that in order to 'compile' your component you need a preprocessor (webpack for instance). So you want to install webpack, and the sane way for that is npm. So you have to install node in order to install webpack in order to write .vue component files (that, by the way, your IDE doesn't know how to show) Then you start to think in going back to Angular. Naa, just joking, vue-cli is a good invention (when it works). Despite everything I said, I think I'm going to stay with Vue.js for a while. I really would like that Elm was in a more mature state.
- ascagnel_ 10y ago
  You can transpile JSX to ES5 with Babel & it's plugin.
- raquo 10y ago
  You can use hyperscript instead of JSX, no need to transpile anything, no need for webpack