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Hardly. Apple clearly has the most condescending attitude towards users. It's built into their brand. And of course there is no owner for Linux, but have you e

Hardly. Apple clearly has the most condescending attitude towards users. It's built into their brand. And of course there is no owner for Linux, but have you ever dealt with any of the popular open source project developers that make Linux what it is? (e.g. Gnome? Qt? etc?) Condescending attitudes abound! I've been insulted many, many, many times by the people who run these shit shows just for asking an honest question on IRC/mailing lists/issue boards/forums/etc. Meanwhile, Microsoft actually listens to users and developers and gives them what they want. I'll take Microsoft any day over Google, Apple or the crowd of angry Linux devs.

colanderman 10y ago
Where did I say anything about Apple or the Linux crowd? Mr. Pyle's comments were condescending at face value alone. Doesn't mean Apple/Linux/etc. aren't also.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  You didn't. Those are the choices though. Anyway, his comments were hardly condescending. Not at all actually.
  - colanderman 10y ago
    I disagree. Here's the first tweet: "The telemetry you hate in Windows 10 allowed us to get rid of a wifi password feature you hate in Windows 10. What to do..." This statement directly implies that Mr. Pyle believes users' wants to be inconsistent, and proceeds to mock the way he supposes users must now feel now that he's demonstrated their folly. Here's a non-patronizing way to phrase the same sentiment: "While I understand that users have privacy concerns about telemetry, I feel it hasn't yet had a chance to demonstrate its benefits. For example, just last week it enabled us to quickly react to negative user feedback about WiFi Sense." But that's not pithy.
    - yuhong 10y ago
      I think the point is that they want to measure how often Wi-Fi Sense is used.
    - WayneBro 10y ago
      Disagree, fine...but where's the alleged mocking? It is a fact that that a loud contingent of people hate the Windows 10 telemetry. How is it mocking someone to say so? If someone said "Those dentist visits you hate actually help you to live longer..." would you say that they're mocking you? Or, was it the part where he said "What to do..."? I really want to know. Is this a case of you projecting your feelings about Windows telemetry onto the situation? It sounds like you're perception is way off here.
      - colanderman 10y ago
        Yes, "What to do" is mocking. It serves no other purpose in the paragraph; the author certainly isn't wondering what to do. It is a phrase often used to mock people who are having a (supposed) crisis of beliefs. I have zero feelings about Windows telemetry, having not heard of it before this tweet.
        WayneBro 10y ago
        Pfffft. That's the big mock that made you type out three posts on HN? LOL. Wow. > the author certainly isn't wondering what to do. You don't know that. If people don't like the telemetry but it's really useful, I'd be wondering what the fuck I should do too - wouldn't you???

colanderman 10y ago

Where did I say anything about Apple or the Linux crowd? Mr. Pyle's comments were condescending at face value alone. Doesn't mean Apple/Linux/etc. aren't also.

WayneBro 10y ago
You didn't. Those are the choices though. Anyway, his comments were hardly condescending. Not at all actually.
- colanderman 10y ago
  I disagree. Here's the first tweet: "The telemetry you hate in Windows 10 allowed us to get rid of a wifi password feature you hate in Windows 10. What to do..." This statement directly implies that Mr. Pyle believes users' wants to be inconsistent, and proceeds to mock the way he supposes users must now feel now that he's demonstrated their folly. Here's a non-patronizing way to phrase the same sentiment: "While I understand that users have privacy concerns about telemetry, I feel it hasn't yet had a chance to demonstrate its benefits. For example, just last week it enabled us to quickly react to negative user feedback about WiFi Sense." But that's not pithy.
  - yuhong 10y ago
    I think the point is that they want to measure how often Wi-Fi Sense is used.
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    Disagree, fine...but where's the alleged mocking? It is a fact that that a loud contingent of people hate the Windows 10 telemetry. How is it mocking someone to say so? If someone said "Those dentist visits you hate actually help you to live longer..." would you say that they're mocking you? Or, was it the part where he said "What to do..."? I really want to know. Is this a case of you projecting your feelings about Windows telemetry onto the situation? It sounds like you're perception is way off here.
    - colanderman 10y ago
      Yes, "What to do" is mocking. It serves no other purpose in the paragraph; the author certainly isn't wondering what to do. It is a phrase often used to mock people who are having a (supposed) crisis of beliefs. I have zero feelings about Windows telemetry, having not heard of it before this tweet.
      - WayneBro 10y ago
        Pfffft. That's the big mock that made you type out three posts on HN? LOL. Wow. > the author certainly isn't wondering what to do. You don't know that. If people don't like the telemetry but it's really useful, I'd be wondering what the fuck I should do too - wouldn't you???