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Short answer: Yes. There is more to life than just "safety". Do you think that you yourself should be able to pick where to live and work? If yes, why shouldn

by ggus 10y ago

Short answer: Yes. There is more to life than just "safety". Do you think that you yourself should be able to pick where to live and work? If yes, why shouldn't he? I definitely do. I am happy to be EU citizen able to move and relocate freely in EU. I would be even happier being a world citizen able to move wherever I would feel like. Alas asylum seekers are pinpointed to the place where they ask for asylum. While this (badly designed) solution stands, the countermeasure they have to pursue is to ask for asylum in the final destination of your journey. And I cannot see a good reason why Monaco, Disney Land (seriously?) or Hawaii should be exempted from helping asylum seekers.

DominikR 10y ago
> Do you think that you yourself should be able to pick where to live and work? If yes, why shouldn't he? No, I don't want this. And I don't want anyone to being able to settle in my country just because they would like to. Anyone that believes otherwise (like you do) denies all members of a society the right to control and choose who can join and live with them. If we take in people they should be sufficiently educated to have a chance on the job market and willing to be a part of our society and culture.
- dkersten 10y ago
  denies all members of a society the right to control and choose who can join and live with them This is a good thing. Nothing good has ever come from xenophobia, racism and discrimination.
  - DominikR 10y ago
    There is nothing racist about selecting new members for likelihood of being productive. So like I said before, selecting for education, job experience, willingness to be part of our society and culture, willingness to learn our language. Btw: do you believe that sexual selection is racist? Because it works exactly the same way. Maybe it would be better if Socialists and Liberals take that choice away from us and make sure we are not racist by allocating sexual partners to each one of us? Or how about companies? Don't they hire along the same lines? Education, job experience, proficiency in local language. Are companies racist if they don't hire a guy from Afghanistan who can't read and whose only job before was herding sheep?
    - Flimm 10y ago
      Actually, almost every society does accept people without selecting them, if they are born there with citizenship. People born in the UK don't have to take some sort of test to stay in the UK, they don't have to prove that they are more productive and more integrated into society than an immigrant, they have the right to stay regardless.
      - DominikR 10y ago
        This is because they will go through mandatory schooling (if they don't the kids will be taken away from the parents) which provides ample time for socialisation into our society and learning our rules, customs, culture and language. At least if our school system isn't a total failure like it already is in some areas. Now imagine how well some guy will fit that comes here in his thirties only knowing Sharia law, cruel physical punishment and who is used to subjugate women by force if necessary. It is not his skin color or genes that will likely cause him to be a problem in our society, it is the culture he grew up in that had him internalise these rules as being the just way to live your life. Edit: And of course local people are privileged in this regard. Why shouldn't they? They were most likely raised by citizens who paid taxes and worked on improving their society. It would be kind of crazy to then forcefully send their children away.
        dkersten 10y ago
        This is because they will go through mandatory schooling (if they don't the kids will be taken away from the parents) Plenty of kids are homeschooled.
  - lmz 10y ago
    That is only a good thing if the members of the society were not obliged to provide welfare and social services to the newcomers. Open borders and the welfare state do not mix.

by ggus 10y ago

DominikR 10y ago

> Do you think that you yourself should be able to pick where to live and work? If yes, why shouldn't he? No, I don't want this. And I don't want anyone to being able to settle in my country just because they would like to. Anyone that believes otherwise (like you do) denies all members of a society the right to control and choose who can join and live with them. If we take in people they should be sufficiently educated to have a chance on the job market and willing to be a part of our society and culture.

dkersten 10y ago
denies all members of a society the right to control and choose who can join and live with them This is a good thing. Nothing good has ever come from xenophobia, racism and discrimination.
- DominikR 10y ago
  There is nothing racist about selecting new members for likelihood of being productive. So like I said before, selecting for education, job experience, willingness to be part of our society and culture, willingness to learn our language. Btw: do you believe that sexual selection is racist? Because it works exactly the same way. Maybe it would be better if Socialists and Liberals take that choice away from us and make sure we are not racist by allocating sexual partners to each one of us? Or how about companies? Don't they hire along the same lines? Education, job experience, proficiency in local language. Are companies racist if they don't hire a guy from Afghanistan who can't read and whose only job before was herding sheep?
  - Flimm 10y ago
    Actually, almost every society does accept people without selecting them, if they are born there with citizenship. People born in the UK don't have to take some sort of test to stay in the UK, they don't have to prove that they are more productive and more integrated into society than an immigrant, they have the right to stay regardless.
    - DominikR 10y ago
      This is because they will go through mandatory schooling (if they don't the kids will be taken away from the parents) which provides ample time for socialisation into our society and learning our rules, customs, culture and language. At least if our school system isn't a total failure like it already is in some areas. Now imagine how well some guy will fit that comes here in his thirties only knowing Sharia law, cruel physical punishment and who is used to subjugate women by force if necessary. It is not his skin color or genes that will likely cause him to be a problem in our society, it is the culture he grew up in that had him internalise these rules as being the just way to live your life. Edit: And of course local people are privileged in this regard. Why shouldn't they? They were most likely raised by citizens who paid taxes and worked on improving their society. It would be kind of crazy to then forcefully send their children away.
      - dkersten 10y ago
        This is because they will go through mandatory schooling (if they don't the kids will be taken away from the parents) Plenty of kids are homeschooled.
- lmz 10y ago
  That is only a good thing if the members of the society were not obliged to provide welfare and social services to the newcomers. Open borders and the welfare state do not mix.