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Never underestimate greed. In plain sight: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/asset-seizures-fuel-police-spending/ http://www.washington

by kelvin0 10y ago

Never underestimate greed. In plain sight: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/asset-seizures-fuel-police-spending/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/10/11/as... http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/st... http://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2014/03/12/cops-use-traffic-stops-to-seize-millions-from-drivers-never-charged-with-a-crime/#6dbe213046ae http://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2014/03/12/c... http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken

bduerst 10y ago
How is that proof of conspiracy? Civil asset forfeiture laws could fall subject to the same "status quo" problem as drug laws. Even then there are states who are taking steps to change them (e.g. CA SB 443 revote in Aug 2016), which could also be said about marijuana decriminalization.
- mindcrime 10y ago
  It's not so much a conspiracy per-se, as a case where people, who might otherwise support changing the system, don't do so out of self-interest. At the very least, a lot of people are incentivized to remain silent and accept the status quo as is, even if their personal feelings might lead them down a different path.
  - wamatt 10y ago
    Would be great if we had a word for this. The word 'conspiracy' tends to derail conversations because as you say, it doesn't quite fit.
    - bduerst 10y ago
      Tragedy of the commons maybe? It's rational actors who control a system and are not making it better because they alone stand to benefit.
- at-fates-hands 10y ago
  >>> Civil asset forfeiture laws Remember there are CAF laws for much more than just drug dealers. Most states have CAF laws for drunk drivers, drag racing, animal fighting (cock fighting and dog fighting), gambling, and wildlife (fish and game) poachers. To totally focus on drug dealers for CAF laws is pretty myopic. Most people support CAF for a myriad of things. Do you think it was right to seize Michael Vick's dogs and then rehabilitate them and find them homes instead of putting them down? Should a guy who's poaching deer lose his guns and license and face stiff fines?
- kelvin0 10y ago
  I did not speak of conspiracy, simply that the current 'system' is quite lucrative for many groups and thus their self interest is not to change a broken process.

by kelvin0 10y ago

bduerst 10y ago

How is that proof of conspiracy? Civil asset forfeiture laws could fall subject to the same "status quo" problem as drug laws. Even then there are states who are taking steps to change them (e.g. CA SB 443 revote in Aug 2016), which could also be said about marijuana decriminalization.

mindcrime 10y ago
It's not so much a conspiracy per-se, as a case where people, who might otherwise support changing the system, don't do so out of self-interest. At the very least, a lot of people are incentivized to remain silent and accept the status quo as is, even if their personal feelings might lead them down a different path.
- wamatt 10y ago
  Would be great if we had a word for this. The word 'conspiracy' tends to derail conversations because as you say, it doesn't quite fit.
  - bduerst 10y ago
    Tragedy of the commons maybe? It's rational actors who control a system and are not making it better because they alone stand to benefit.
at-fates-hands 10y ago
>>> Civil asset forfeiture laws Remember there are CAF laws for much more than just drug dealers. Most states have CAF laws for drunk drivers, drag racing, animal fighting (cock fighting and dog fighting), gambling, and wildlife (fish and game) poachers. To totally focus on drug dealers for CAF laws is pretty myopic. Most people support CAF for a myriad of things. Do you think it was right to seize Michael Vick's dogs and then rehabilitate them and find them homes instead of putting them down? Should a guy who's poaching deer lose his guns and license and face stiff fines?
kelvin0 10y ago
I did not speak of conspiracy, simply that the current 'system' is quite lucrative for many groups and thus their self interest is not to change a broken process.