But what if it turns out that torture really is effective? I think it is wrong and should be banned on that basis - but I am very open to the idea that properl

But what if it turns out that torture really is effective? I think it is wrong and should be banned on that basis - but I am very open to the idea that properly used it might be a really valid way of collecting imperfect but useful information. I think the anti-torture side (shameful that such a concept is necessary!!) needs to be careful of putting too many of our eggs in the 'ban-torture-cause-its-ineffective' basket.