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What's nice about Facebook Live (and Periscope) is that in tense situations, the authorities could confiscate the phone but the video has already been sent serv

by aantix 10y ago

What's nice about Facebook Live (and Periscope) is that in tense situations, the authorities could confiscate the phone but the video has already been sent server side, so there's no way to suppress the footage. With the recent streamed shooting in Minnesota, transparency into such events has just been opened up a little more for all of us. While a lot of the HN crowd hates on Facebook, the Minnesota shooting and Dallas shooting have been eye opening and it's easy to see streaming video as the next great equalizer. Obviously Facebook could start suppressing contentious video, but so far they've seemed to be pretty liberal and that's probably a separate issue. At least the technology is in place so that people can open up to the possibilities and other parallel platforms can be built if Facebook drops the ball on content policy.

herbst 10y ago
Afaik they did censure pretty much any of those relevant videos. Also Twitter offers the very same technologie except it does not fail on higher load. Twitter is also not known for censoring critical things. We really have to be careful here. Implementing the idea that Facebook as central news portal isn't so bad is going to backfire soon enough. Think about it, some random news guys may are reading HN right now to get some "technical perspectives".
- jarjoura 10y ago
  Facebook just publicly said they will not censor these videos.
  - herbst 10y ago
    They did censure completely unreasoned before and lied several times about different relevant things, who cares what they say now. Also please source if you make such claims. Edit:// They are also breaking the law constantly (Their terms are not valid in many parts of europe, they still enforce it, they do not hand over complete data when asked (tried several times) and they also do not remove accounts when removed), so seriously who cares what they claim?
    - mickmock 10y ago
      > They did censure completely unreasoned before and lied several times about different relevant things, who cares what they say now. Please source if you make such claims
      - herbst 10y ago
        I expected this :) > did censure completely unreasoned recent one: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/07/08/did-police-remove-the-facebook-live-video-of-philando-castile-be/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/07/08/did-police-... big ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#United_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany A few more cases here http://www.facebookcensorship.com/ http://www.facebookcensorship.com/ > lied several times * The oculus thing. http://siliconangle.com/blog/2016/06/14/facebook-allegedly-lied-about-not-paying-devs-for-oculus-exclusivity/ http://siliconangle.com/blog/2016/06/14/facebook-allegedly-l... * PRISM may be something a lot remember: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337863/PRISM-Google-Facebook-DID-allow-NSA-access-data-talks-set-spying-rooms-despite-denials-Zuckerberg-Page-controversial-project.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337863/PRISM-Google... to that also zucks statement: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10100828955847631 https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10100828955847631 plus some actual numbers: https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/2015-H2/ https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/20... * There may is more, but probably they didnt lie that often like i made it sound. Its way easier to find articles about situations where facebook forgot to mention relevant details, other than lying.
        tedunangst 10y ago
        > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany > In July 2011, authorities in Germany began to discuss the prohibition of events organized on Facebook. Wait, your evidence that Facebook engages in censorship includes the fact that the authorities discussed it?
jswny 10y ago
Totally agree. I love the idea in concept, I'm just quite wary of Facebook being the place that implements it.
- aantix 10y ago
  It's a hard problem. If you prioritize everything, say some decentralized source, it becomes a shit show of junk where it's impossible to discern what is relevant. If we curate, then we're at the mercy of the curator's judgement and personal interests.
  - spb 10y ago
    You say that like it's impossible to decentralize curation.
- underwires 10y ago
  weary - as in you are tired that it is always facebook that implements these things? or wary/leery - in that you are cautious about thinking it is a good thing that facebook is the one implementing this?
  - jswny 10y ago
    That would be the second one! Oops, thanks for your correction, I'm not so sharp all the time :)
aantix 10y ago
On a related note, I'd be all for the #BlackLivesMatter movement to call for the live streaming of all community interactions with law enforcement. Making every single interaction transparent only serves to improve service. And there's no reason that law enforcement should be the only ones video taping these sessions..

by aantix 10y ago

herbst 10y ago

Afaik they did censure pretty much any of those relevant videos. Also Twitter offers the very same technologie except it does not fail on higher load. Twitter is also not known for censoring critical things. We really have to be careful here. Implementing the idea that Facebook as central news portal isn't so bad is going to backfire soon enough. Think about it, some random news guys may are reading HN right now to get some "technical perspectives".

jarjoura 10y ago
Facebook just publicly said they will not censor these videos.
- herbst 10y ago
  They did censure completely unreasoned before and lied several times about different relevant things, who cares what they say now. Also please source if you make such claims. Edit:// They are also breaking the law constantly (Their terms are not valid in many parts of europe, they still enforce it, they do not hand over complete data when asked (tried several times) and they also do not remove accounts when removed), so seriously who cares what they claim?
  - mickmock 10y ago
    > They did censure completely unreasoned before and lied several times about different relevant things, who cares what they say now. Please source if you make such claims
    - herbst 10y ago
      I expected this :) > did censure completely unreasoned recent one: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/07/08/did-police-remove-the-facebook-live-video-of-philando-castile-be/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/07/08/did-police-... big ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#United_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany A few more cases here http://www.facebookcensorship.com/ http://www.facebookcensorship.com/ > lied several times * The oculus thing. http://siliconangle.com/blog/2016/06/14/facebook-allegedly-lied-about-not-paying-devs-for-oculus-exclusivity/ http://siliconangle.com/blog/2016/06/14/facebook-allegedly-l... * PRISM may be something a lot remember: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337863/PRISM-Google-Facebook-DID-allow-NSA-access-data-talks-set-spying-rooms-despite-denials-Zuckerberg-Page-controversial-project.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2337863/PRISM-Google... to that also zucks statement: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10100828955847631 https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10100828955847631 plus some actual numbers: https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/2015-H2/ https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/20... * There may is more, but probably they didnt lie that often like i made it sound. Its way easier to find articles about situations where facebook forgot to mention relevant details, other than lying.
      - tedunangst 10y ago
        > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook#Germany > In July 2011, authorities in Germany began to discuss the prohibition of events organized on Facebook. Wait, your evidence that Facebook engages in censorship includes the fact that the authorities discussed it?

jswny 10y ago

Totally agree. I love the idea in concept, I'm just quite wary of Facebook being the place that implements it.

aantix 10y ago
It's a hard problem. If you prioritize everything, say some decentralized source, it becomes a shit show of junk where it's impossible to discern what is relevant. If we curate, then we're at the mercy of the curator's judgement and personal interests.
- spb 10y ago
  You say that like it's impossible to decentralize curation.
underwires 10y ago
weary - as in you are tired that it is always facebook that implements these things? or wary/leery - in that you are cautious about thinking it is a good thing that facebook is the one implementing this?
- jswny 10y ago
  That would be the second one! Oops, thanks for your correction, I'm not so sharp all the time :)

aantix 10y ago

On a related note, I'd be all for the #BlackLivesMatter movement to call for the live streaming of all community interactions with law enforcement. Making every single interaction transparent only serves to improve service. And there's no reason that law enforcement should be the only ones video taping these sessions..