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How would a closed platform fit into this? Everytime i happen to land on a facebook link literally half of the screen is used by some penetrant ad that suggest

by herbst 10y ago

How would a closed platform fit into this? Everytime i happen to land on a facebook link literally half of the screen is used by some penetrant ad that suggests that i should register for facebook and does not let me close it, and thats just the public links, most links are not even public so i just see a login screen. I don't see how such a closed environment would have any meaning for news. Edit:// Looking at the article the example makes it even worse. Wasnt that video censored away not even 24 hours after it happened? Again how would such a platform fit the phrase "news" in any way?

aembleton 10y ago
Most people have Facebook accounts, so they wouldn't see the login screen that you see.
- herbst 10y ago
  Seriously? i was not aware of that.
  - squeaky-clean 10y ago
    Over a billion daily active users, 1.65 billion monthly. That's not including users who have an account but are not actively using it. Odds are very good that if someone has internet access, they also have a Facebook account. https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2016/Facebook-Reports-First-Quarter-2016-Results-and-Announces-Proposal-for-New-Class-of-Stock/default.aspx https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/...
    - herbst 10y ago
      thats not even a fourth of humanity. if we exclude china who can not visit any of our news outlets anyway its still less than the half. Do you seriously suggest that all these people should create facebook accounts, including all the privacy issues, just so they can consume news without the half screen dedicated to forcing them to create a account? seriously?
      - squeaky-clean 10y ago
        > thats not even a fourth of humanity. And only 40% of humanity has an internet connection [0]. If we subtract the 22% from China, then yes, more than 50% of people who are able to access www.facebook.com have an account and visit it at least once a month. These internet statistics also include all ages with access to internet, so infants and children too. You need to be 13 to have a FB account (as if that stops anyone), so that excludes an additional ~17% [1] of internet users. [0] http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ [1] http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/worldpop.php http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/worl... I also managed to find a site claiming that FB had 158.4 million users in the United States in 2015, but with nothing to back that number up. http://www.statista.com/statistics/408971/number-of-us-facebook-users/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/408971/number-of-us-faceb... > Do you seriously suggest that all these people should create facebook accounts, including all the privacy issues, just so they can consume news without the half screen dedicated to forcing them to create a account? seriously? No, I don't. I never said that and don't know why you're trying to argue this against me. Seriously? I'm not saying whether or not they should, just that they already have.
    - herbst 10y ago
      According this number http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ your claim that "most" or pretty much anyone who has internet has facebook is wrong as well. Again its less than the half.
      - squeaky-clean 10y ago
        Actually about half of the internet uses use Facebook every single month. If you include the number of people with a Facebook account that do not use it monthly, that total number is obviously higher, not lower. Since your link estimates 3.4 billion users (half of which is 1.7 billion), and 1.65 billion use it every month, that's almost exactly half. Again, this is only monthly active users, and not total users.
        herbst 10y ago
        total users also is no relevant messurement tho. I have had about 10-20 accounts so far (as you need this shit for everything) but never actually _used_ facebook. But i see your point.
ianbicking 10y ago
But it's a more open platform than the alternatives, with live posting there are practically no gatekeepers, and it's hard take things back - cell phone videos that aren't published are much more likely to be suppressed, or have their release delayed reducing the sense of public urgency. A few ads on the screen don't change the impact.
- herbst 10y ago
  I too think that Twitter would fit this niche perfectly with their live stream environment that also works as expected with higher loads and the way that nobody gets forced to register just to consume. I also don't see how news work where those who post the most (usually those with the weakest quality) are ranked better than anyone else. Their current platform/algo is simply not suiteable for such things. I don't see how Facebook provides any benefit other than live streaming, what is not exactly rocket science.

by herbst 10y ago

aembleton 10y ago

Most people have Facebook accounts, so they wouldn't see the login screen that you see.

herbst 10y ago
Seriously? i was not aware of that.
- squeaky-clean 10y ago
  Over a billion daily active users, 1.65 billion monthly. That's not including users who have an account but are not actively using it. Odds are very good that if someone has internet access, they also have a Facebook account. https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2016/Facebook-Reports-First-Quarter-2016-Results-and-Announces-Proposal-for-New-Class-of-Stock/default.aspx https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/...
  - herbst 10y ago
    thats not even a fourth of humanity. if we exclude china who can not visit any of our news outlets anyway its still less than the half. Do you seriously suggest that all these people should create facebook accounts, including all the privacy issues, just so they can consume news without the half screen dedicated to forcing them to create a account? seriously?
    - squeaky-clean 10y ago
      > thats not even a fourth of humanity. And only 40% of humanity has an internet connection [0]. If we subtract the 22% from China, then yes, more than 50% of people who are able to access www.facebook.com have an account and visit it at least once a month. These internet statistics also include all ages with access to internet, so infants and children too. You need to be 13 to have a FB account (as if that stops anyone), so that excludes an additional ~17% [1] of internet users. [0] http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ [1] http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/worldpop.php http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/worl... I also managed to find a site claiming that FB had 158.4 million users in the United States in 2015, but with nothing to back that number up. http://www.statista.com/statistics/408971/number-of-us-facebook-users/ http://www.statista.com/statistics/408971/number-of-us-faceb... > Do you seriously suggest that all these people should create facebook accounts, including all the privacy issues, just so they can consume news without the half screen dedicated to forcing them to create a account? seriously? No, I don't. I never said that and don't know why you're trying to argue this against me. Seriously? I'm not saying whether or not they should, just that they already have.
  - herbst 10y ago
    According this number http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/ your claim that "most" or pretty much anyone who has internet has facebook is wrong as well. Again its less than the half.
    - squeaky-clean 10y ago
      Actually about half of the internet uses use Facebook every single month. If you include the number of people with a Facebook account that do not use it monthly, that total number is obviously higher, not lower. Since your link estimates 3.4 billion users (half of which is 1.7 billion), and 1.65 billion use it every month, that's almost exactly half. Again, this is only monthly active users, and not total users.
      - herbst 10y ago
        total users also is no relevant messurement tho. I have had about 10-20 accounts so far (as you need this shit for everything) but never actually _used_ facebook. But i see your point.

ianbicking 10y ago

But it's a more open platform than the alternatives, with live posting there are practically no gatekeepers, and it's hard take things back - cell phone videos that aren't published are much more likely to be suppressed, or have their release delayed reducing the sense of public urgency. A few ads on the screen don't change the impact.

herbst 10y ago
I too think that Twitter would fit this niche perfectly with their live stream environment that also works as expected with higher loads and the way that nobody gets forced to register just to consume. I also don't see how news work where those who post the most (usually those with the weakest quality) are ranked better than anyone else. Their current platform/algo is simply not suiteable for such things. I don't see how Facebook provides any benefit other than live streaming, what is not exactly rocket science.