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Victims of what?

by aminok 10y ago

Victims of what?

Mtinie 10y ago
Victims of the type of abuses and zoning code violations that lead to Airbnb introducing a product feature to try to deal with the bad PR. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45400/airbnb-animal-house-neighbor-reporting-button/ http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45400/airbnb-anim...
- aminok 10y ago
  How can someone be a victim of a zoning code violation? That's like being victimized by a school uniform violation.
JohnTHaller 10y ago
Increase in noise, especially at odd hours. People on vacation keep wildly different hours than most folks who work 9 to 5. So you have the group who is on vacation basically in a "hotel room" sharing a wall with you on a random Tuesday night and you have to get up in the morning. Additionally, "guests" have a tendency to do things like leave doors open or let people in they don't know to apartment buildings. And, unlike hotels, there's no one watching over the front door or security systems to make up for the increase in non-residents in most apartment buildings. There's also the issue that "guests" have a higher tendency to break things. They're on vacation, they don't live there, they don't care is the attitude of a small percentage. If an apartment is rented out on Airbnb, sooner or later you're going to get some of them. And if they break the building's front door or trash the lobby... sorry, but Airbnb's insurance policy doesn't cover that. It only covers things owned by the Airbnb user, not common areas of an apartment building. So, no thank you, I'd prefer that my apartment building was a proper apartment building where residents live here. As opposed to half apartment building, half unlicensed and unregulated pseudo hotel/hostel.
- aminok 10y ago
  >There's also the issue that "guests" have a higher tendency to break things. So discriminate against guests based on statistics related to members of their group? That sounds familiar...... If there is a problem behavior, that behavior should be punished. Entire classes of people shouldn't have their economic rights limited based on a blanket characterisation.
  - varjag 10y ago
    Corporation's customer is not a protected class.
    - aminok 10y ago
      So because we haven't created a law designating some group, defined by the consensual behavior they have in common, a protected class, it's morally okay to discriminate against them? Also, you mention "corporation's customers", so am I correct to assume that you ascribe to a moral system that sees anything that is associated with corporations as immoral and fair game for mistreatment and discrimination?
      - varjag 10y ago
        I said "corporation's customers" because AirBNB is a corporation, don't read between the lines too hard. Protected classes are not arbitrary, in most cases they are groups of people who are not self-selected. You can't easily change your age or skin color, but it is trival to use booking.com instead of airbnb. Likening your right to party 0300 in an airbnb rental flat to civil rights movement is disingenuous.
        aminok 10y ago
        You didn't answer my question. If you believed your ideology was morally right, you would not shy away from directly answering questions about its values. Here's the question again: So because we haven't created a law designating some group, defined by the consensual behavior they have in common, a protected class, it's morally okay to discriminate against them?

Victims of what?

by aminok 10y ago

Victims of what?

Victims of the type of abuses and zoning code violations that lead to Airbnb introducing a product feature to try to deal with the bad PR. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45400/airbnb-animal-house-neighbor-reporting-button/ http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45400/airbnb-anim...

aminok 10y ago
How can someone be a victim of a zoning code violation? That's like being victimized by a school uniform violation.

JohnTHaller 10y ago

Increase in noise, especially at odd hours. People on vacation keep wildly different hours than most folks who work 9 to 5. So you have the group who is on vacation basically in a "hotel room" sharing a wall with you on a random Tuesday night and you have to get up in the morning. Additionally, "guests" have a tendency to do things like leave doors open or let people in they don't know to apartment buildings. And, unlike hotels, there's no one watching over the front door or security systems to make up for the increase in non-residents in most apartment buildings. There's also the issue that "guests" have a higher tendency to break things. They're on vacation, they don't live there, they don't care is the attitude of a small percentage. If an apartment is rented out on Airbnb, sooner or later you're going to get some of them. And if they break the building's front door or trash the lobby... sorry, but Airbnb's insurance policy doesn't cover that. It only covers things owned by the Airbnb user, not common areas of an apartment building. So, no thank you, I'd prefer that my apartment building was a proper apartment building where residents live here. As opposed to half apartment building, half unlicensed and unregulated pseudo hotel/hostel.

aminok 10y ago
>There's also the issue that "guests" have a higher tendency to break things. So discriminate against guests based on statistics related to members of their group? That sounds familiar...... If there is a problem behavior, that behavior should be punished. Entire classes of people shouldn't have their economic rights limited based on a blanket characterisation.
- varjag 10y ago
  Corporation's customer is not a protected class.
  - aminok 10y ago
    So because we haven't created a law designating some group, defined by the consensual behavior they have in common, a protected class, it's morally okay to discriminate against them? Also, you mention "corporation's customers", so am I correct to assume that you ascribe to a moral system that sees anything that is associated with corporations as immoral and fair game for mistreatment and discrimination?
    - varjag 10y ago
      I said "corporation's customers" because AirBNB is a corporation, don't read between the lines too hard. Protected classes are not arbitrary, in most cases they are groups of people who are not self-selected. You can't easily change your age or skin color, but it is trival to use booking.com instead of airbnb. Likening your right to party 0300 in an airbnb rental flat to civil rights movement is disingenuous.
      - aminok 10y ago
        You didn't answer my question. If you believed your ideology was morally right, you would not shy away from directly answering questions about its values. Here's the question again: So because we haven't created a law designating some group, defined by the consensual behavior they have in common, a protected class, it's morally okay to discriminate against them?