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Gimp 2.9.4 Released

504 points by macco 10y ago

aorth 10y ago
Great to see a new release on the 2.9.x branch. I've been using the unofficial McGimp builds[0] for a year or so and I can highly recommend them (if only because there are no official Mac OS X builds from the GIMP team). [0] http://www.partha.com/ http://www.partha.com/
- r0muald 10y ago
  For those on Linux there have been xdg-app/flatpak nightlies available for a while: http://flatpak.org/apps.html http://flatpak.org/apps.html including the GTK+3 version. They're highly usable but of course care must be taken with changes in the native format. Edit: typos.
- mitnk 10y ago
  GIMP stuck on Mac at times. Hope this version be better. Thanks for sharing!
slimsag 10y ago
This is huge! Gimp is awesome, and the fact that they added support for MyPaint brushes is huge -- it means artists don't have to switch back and forth between the two constantly. Also, this update puts it in a great stance against Photoshop in general. Now it has a more similar user interface -- something I see people complain about a lot ("Gimp can do everything but I just don't understand the UI like I do with Photoshop"), awesome support for brushes and symmetry (Photoshop was always a bit better with these from what my artist friends told me a few years back), etc. It is a bit of a shame that the official builds lag behind this update, though. I'm on OS X and I'd love to try this out now, but building from source sounds a bit too tedious for me to play around with it for just ~10 minutes.
- themartorana 10y ago
  I had many hopes for GIMP on OS X but programs like Pixelmator and Affinity Photo (and Designer), while commercial, have made Adobe-level editing affordable (and hopefully sustainable). Is GIMP keeping up?
- aorth 10y ago
  I had commented below that I am using the unofficial Mac OS X builds[0] of the 2.9.x branch for a year or so now. Works great for my occasional amateur editing needs. [0] http://www.partha.com/ http://www.partha.com/
- HoopleHead 10y ago
  Does 2,9 (or the forthcoming 2,10) have non-destructive editing yet? It not, they can make all the other improvements they want, but Gimp will still be lagging a decade behind Photoshop.
  - dagw 10y ago
    2.9 and 2.10 is about moving completely over to GEGL, the new image processing engine that allows for things like high bit depth images, better color management, OpenCL image filters and Non-destructive editing. Unfortunately actually exposing the non-destructive editing parts in the application has been pushed back to 3.2 on the current road map.
  - nkuttler 10y ago
    Does Photoshop have an open source license yet? If not, they can make all they want, but Photoshop will still be lagging 20 years behind GIMP. See how silly that sounds?
    - Finnucane 10y ago
      The difference is that when I am sending files to the press, the press cares if I have sent CMYK, and they do not care if I have used an open-source program. Personally, I prefer to use open-source when I can, but if it doesn't do what I need to do, then the difference is not 'silly'. It's an obstacle.
      - nkuttler 10y ago
        You're absolutely right. OP picked an arbitrary feature though without telling how it affects the world around him and resorted to hyperbole. You actually have a point.
      - cmurf 10y ago
        Almost no workflow involves Photoshop to press. It's Photoshop to some other application, like InDesign, exporting PDF then to press. Likewise GIMP to Scribus, which can convert your RGB images to CMYK before producing the PDF. While common, it's increasingly antiquated for printing companies to insist on CMYK. There are print standards that enable hand off of PDF for blind transfers where all content is defined in a device independent color space.
diminish 10y ago
Great news, I've been using GIMP/Inkscape for a long time. Could someone list open source, (and especially Linux) alternatives and how they compare to GIMP, Inkscape as of 2016 July?
- Svip 10y ago
  I suppose Krita[0] might be one of the most interesting alternatives. But Krita is more optimised for drawing with a tablet than anything else. Someone who uses Krita a lot has pointed out to me that Krita isn't as good at text handling as GIMP is, for instance. [0] https://krita.org/en/ https://krita.org/en/
  - Joeboy 10y ago
    > Krita isn't as good at text handling as GIMP is It must be very, very bad at text handling then.
    - boterock 10y ago
      I believe text handling is one target of this years kickstarter campaign
- jhoechtl 10y ago
  Krita might be of interest to you as they try to increasingly unite vector drawing (SVG basd) with pixel art. http://www.peppercarrot.com/de/article265/svg-experimentations-and-multilingual-support http://www.peppercarrot.com/de/article265/svg-experimentatio...
- Animats 10y ago
  I've been using Inkscape for years, but not GIMP. Pinta Image Editor (open source for Linux, BSD, Mac, Windows) finally works reasonably well as an alternative. For years, Pinta crashed resizing an image larger than the screen, and did annoying things like adding the markers from a selection area to the image itself. Those bugs were finally fixed this year. It doesn't have as many bells and whistles as Photoshop or GIMP, but the user interface is entirely graphical and straightforward.
huuu 10y ago
Note this is a developer edition. I just went to the download page to find out this is not a stable version. But, as the page says: "GIMP 2.9.4 is quite reliable for production work, but there are still loose ends to tie"
jrapdx3 10y ago
Looking forward to Gimp 2.9.4 on Windows. I've been using development (2.9.3) versions lately on Win10 and working pretty well. The recent changes will be be quite useful assuming everything works as advertised. UI improvements will be welcome particularly if making Gimp integrate better with Win10 overall. One of the issues I've had with Gimp on Windows is pen support, though the Wacom pen on the Surface Pro 2 has been iffy anyway. Pen use is worse though with Gimp, Inkscape vs. MS apps, but with some luck the new Gimp version will do better.
luchs 10y ago
Nice to know that they're working on better HiDPI support. GTK 3 for some reason has two separate HiDPI settings, but one of them only supports integer scaling factors. Additionally, there is no way to specify different factors for each monitor. If you have two monitors with different densities, a GTK window will always have the wrong scaling on one of them. Qt 5 gets this right. The only frustrating thing there is how many applications still use Qt 4… (same applies to GTK 2, I guess)
- djsumdog 10y ago
  Yea I hate that about GTK. IntelliJ just uses the DPI setting you set in xrandr for the display. That way I can run IntelliJ remotely over ssh and it still shows up with the right DPI on both a 4k and non-4k monitor without needing to change the settings.
insulanian 10y ago
I'm using Paint.NET on Windows and I really like it - It satisfies all my needs. When I switched to Mac, I was searching for something similar, but in the end decided to use Gimp. However, the thing is just incredibly slow. I have MBP 13 Retina and it takes 6 seconds to apply simple "bucket fill" on an image 3000x4500. Is this normal?
- ploxiln 10y ago
  Gimp does seem to slow down a lot if an operation would affect a lot of pixels. That's a 13.5 megapixel image, if you're editing a 5MP image, full-canvas operations are much faster. But also, try zooming in on your new 13.5MP image and using a reasonably sized brush, say 20.0 (px?) to paint on it - it's pretty responsive. But if you switch to a gigantic, 200 (px?) brush, it gets a bit laggy (but still fraction-of-second laggy, not multi-second laggy, at that scale).
- pfranz 10y ago
  I haven't used any of these heavily, but they come up often. Over the past few years I've heard a lot of good things about Krita[1] as an alternative to Gimp. I've found both Pixelmator[2] and Acorn[3] to have enough of the features to replace Photoshop for basic needs. [1] https://krita.org/en/download/krita-desktop/ https://krita.org/en/download/krita-desktop/ [2] http://www.pixelmator.com/mac/ http://www.pixelmator.com/mac/ [3] http://flyingmeat.com/acorn/ http://flyingmeat.com/acorn/
  - SyneRyder 10y ago
    Add Affinity Photo to that mix too. It won Apple's Best App Of 2015 award, and is made by Serif (who have a long history of developing photo software, especially on Windows). I have Photoshop CC too, but I use Affinity Photo more often now due to its speed. And as a Photoshop plugin developer, I'm really happy with its strong support for Photoshop plugins - it actually seems more compatible than some versions of Adobe Photoshop Elements. https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/ https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
  - timlyo 10y ago
voycey 10y ago
I really wish I could get into using GIMP but after a lifetime of Photoshop usage I just find the interface and shortcuts really clunky! There used to be Gimpshop to change the keybindings to match photoshop's - is there anything like that anymore?
- voycey 10y ago
  To answer my own question - I found this: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/02/gimp-get-photoshop-like-keyboard.html http://www.webupd8.org/2014/02/gimp-get-photoshop-like-keybo...
- NuDinNou 10y ago
  http://lifehacker.com/how-to-make-the-gimp-work-more-like-photoshop-1551318983 http://lifehacker.com/how-to-make-the-gimp-work-more-like-ph...
vanderZwan 10y ago
> On Linux, GIMP is now capable of using darktable for pre-processing raw images from DSLRs (Canon CR2, Nikon NEF etc.). Since Darktable is also workflow tool, I'm pretty curious about how well these two are integrated. For example, if I prepare a whole batch of photos in DT without exporting them, is GIMP smart enough to import the files with those settings automatically?
spv 10y ago
Adobe's new subscription model for Photoshop, makes it expensive for non-professionals. GIMP looks more attractive now for occasional photo editing. For Inkscape and GIMP to be a good alternative for Adobe's apps, I think they need to improve on UI a lot. I wonder if there is any umbrella organization which can look after FOSS Design apps like GIMP, Inkscape, Krita etc.
- NTripleOne 10y ago
  > I think they need to improve on UI a lot. This seems to apply to the majority of FOSS projects.
- mei0Iesh 10y ago
  Adobe's subscription model certainly excluded a segment of their previous userbase. But some people are more interested in Affinity Designer and Photo than Inkscape and GIMP, despite them being closed source. Designer is available in beta for Windows now, and Photo should be released this fall. https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/windows/ https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/windows/
- namaemuta 10y ago
  Maybe they can start a kickstarter campaign to get funds for it. I'm pretty sure that a better UI would attract a lot of users that now hesitate between using Photoshop or GIMP.
  - spv 10y ago
    For preexisting OSS, I think it is difficult to get a successful Kickstarter campaign because they cannot really sell something for pledges. Have there been any successful Kickstarter FOSS projects ? I think Bountysource is better here but for mega issues like UI redesign or GTK3 port etc a campaign may be the right way to go.
    - dagw 10y ago
      Have there been any successful Kickstarter FOSS projects ? Diaspora was successful in the sense that it got lots of money. It was slightly less successful in delivering on its promises.
fahrradflucht 10y ago
I think such a big revamp of the app would have been an ideal moment to finally change the name to something less disabled hostile.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  I see you're getting downvoted, but I agree with you. The name does hold it back IMO. When I read the name the first thought is gimp in the BDSM sense. Does have an effect on how much I promote it.
  - aoloe 10y ago
    For the 87% of the world population that is not native English speaking, Gimp just means nothing, except a fine image manipulation program... (and we had to Google for BDSM. It does not seem to be a BSD Unix variant... and now that I think about it: it might be the reason why FreeBSD is not so popular!) Not only I'm pretty sure that there is an Indic / Chinese language spoken by hundreds of milions people, where Inkscape is a bad word... Also -- even if in my eyes it's a bit childish from the Gimp team to stick to what seems to be perceived as a bad name -- i perceive as even more childish that people keep on complaining that an acronym means something "bad" in their language. Next time you come to the south of Switzerland, I'll invite you for a joyful train ride from Locarno to Domodossola: http://www.centovalli.ch/?lang=EN http://www.centovalli.ch/?lang=EN
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      > "i perceive as even more childish that people keep on complaining that an acronym means something "bad" in their language" I don't usually complain about it, I'm just being honest about it having an effect on how much I promote it. In other words, I talk about it less because of its name. I also doubt I'm the only one. You can paint this as irrational if you want, but if the idea is to promote a free alternative to Photoshop (which makes Gimp a very useful project for the open-source community) it seems a little off to reduce its popularity over something as simple to change as the name.
pritambarhate 10y ago
This is great news. I have used GIMP on and off for more than 10 years now. The new UI changes seem to be exciting. As the other comment noted it seems that official build for OS X is not out yet. Last time I had checked GIMP on OS X, there were lots of UX issues. Hopefully this new release has improved the things. On a slightly unrelated note, as a front-end developer only 2 things have stopped me from using Linux full time. 1. Lack of Photoshop on Linux I know Adobe tried a few years ago and didn't have enough sales for the Linux version to justify the development and maintenance costs. I have used GIMP 2.8 on Linux. The filters and effects and the UX in general didn't justify using it as the only tool in production. Also it seems that GIMP development has happened at a very slow pace for past 5-6 years. In fact, off the top of my head, I can't seem to remember a new exiting feature to it for a long time. There are a few other Mac only low end alternatives like, Acorn, PixelImator and Affinity Photo. Last time I tried Acron. Wasn't impressed. Planning to give Affinity Photo a shot this year. Sketch seems to be picking up as the UX tool of choice but it is also Mac only. I think most of the product makers in this category seem to think, if you are a professional you can get yourself a Mac. However, Apple likes to charge a lot of premium for its products, which puts its products out of range for lots of junior developers and smaller companies in developing economies like India. 2. Lack of MS office on Linux (This is not really that critical these days, just a good to have.) This not really needed for development. But lots of non-technical people use MS Office for documents and specifications. So as a professional it's just easier to get a MS license. And now on subscription model it's quite affordable. I still wish google will release Google Docs as a fully offline product. Something like Google Docs packed as Electron based app will make it more usable for people in India, where always on connectivity is still an issue in major parts of the Country. I haven't used Windows as my main machine for 8 years now. I use a Mac mainly because it gives a stable Unix-like OS with good enough UX. Have waited for Desktop Linux to happen for 16 years now. It has been in "quite close but not there yet" status for past 4-5 years now. But don't know how long this phase is going to last for Linux Desktop.
- theparanoid 10y ago
  I do traditional and digital drawing. With GIMP 2.9.2 Photoshop was no longer better for drawing on a tablet (ATIV). Haven't looked back since.
allendoerfer 10y ago
I have to open a .psd three times a year and do not like to pay for PS for this or even install it, since I use Linux, so it would be great if the .psd handling would be further improved. I really have no other wishes for Gimp aside from stability and performance: - I learned the Gimp hotkeys first - I know the menu structure around filters and so on is weird compared to PS, but I know it - I like selecting, zooming and scrolling better in Gimp, somehow I have the feeling of more control and find it easier to make something pixel-perfect while getting sent non pixel-perfect .psds - I like the old multi-window interface, even though it took me some time in the beginning to grasp it - the text tool is fixed now Maybe the only thing, which sounds interesting to me are the advanced and non-destructive layer options and transformations (or whatever these features are called in PS), but then again: I know my way around Gimp and if the PS layers were fully supported it would already be fine for me. Edit: Have seen another comment about non-destructive editing and found out, that it is on the roadmap for 3.2 after GTK3 in 3.0. So my hopes are that this way the PS counterparts will be supported, too.
- dedosk 10y ago
  You can try Krita (www.krita.org) with PSD.
  - blub 10y ago
    Gimp and Inkscape are the only free or open source graphics tools that have something resembling a secure download process. Krita serves their website over https and the download over http from some mirror. Can't find any trace of a hash on their site either.
    - p4bl0 10y ago
      Why don't you use your distribution's packages manager to install it?
      - blub 10y ago
        A relative was using MS Paint to draw some simple floor plan diagrams and asked whether there's any better tool available. Gimp is actually overfeatured for what they need, but that was the only thing I found which I could install with a good enough certainty that I won't infect their computer with malware.
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doiwin 10y ago
Ever since I switched from Photoshop to Gimp, I have desperately waiting for non-destrutive editing aka adjustment-layers / filter-layers. It has been years now... So I was excited to see a new version. Checked the features and ... nope. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
- dagw 10y ago
  non-destructive editing is officially planned for 3.2 at the moment, so you can take a break from looking at new versions and crossing your fingers.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    But don't hold your breath either...
    - newhere420 10y ago
      Hasn't GEGL/NDE been on GIMP's roadmap for more than 10 years? I seem to remember giving up on transitioning from Photoshop around 2005...
- xuhu 10y ago
  Find a developer with spare time who uses GIMP and sell this feature to him.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    Yeah, because any random developer who uses GIMP is also an experienced C developer that can hack graphics code? And also his changes to your specs will be welcomed by the GIMP core team...
greenspot 10y ago
Does Gimp has support for display with high pixel density?
stesch 10y ago
> A build for Mac OS X is not available at this time.
rmarsdendox 10y ago
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zouhair 10y ago
Oh man it's already been 16 years since Grokking the GIMP[0] [0] http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html?Grokking_the_GIMP.html http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html?Grokking_the_GIMP.html
timwaagh 10y ago
from gimp i would really love to see a great in-app-tutorial to get new users up to speed. it would make it much more competitive with its illustrious closed source rival if people knew how to do things.
pepijndevos 10y ago
Besides non-destructive editing, decent CMYK support is still missing. But as others have said, they do seem to move in that direction. Maybe Gimp 3 will be usable for real work.
neuromute 10y ago
I've been using Gimp for many years now, and it serves me well. I learnt Photoshop at university, on a Multimedia Tech course. Whilst Photoshop is a fine piece of software, it is overkill for most users. Gimp might be hard to get to grips with for long-time Photoshop users, but it isn't hard, it just takes some muscle-memory adjustment. For users who have never used either, Gimp is a great piece of software to use from the get-go. I've also used Krita of late, and that too is a very good piece of software worth checking out if you want to do photo-editing and digital painting.
- jfaucett 10y ago
  here's the problem. Photoshop blows gimp out of the water in every way that is important to designers. GIMP is quite adept at simpler tasks/flows i.e. the stuff most people might want to do to an image, crop, put some text, etc. really no major diff here between it and ps. and this is why i teach it to relatives/friends who want to edit their images on a budget. But it is very difficult to make professional grade designs/templates/mockups with gimp (i would venture impossible but im sure someone could do it given enough discipline just as someone could build a httpserver in pure x86 if they really wanted to) source: long time Gimp and Photoshop user, have worked professionally as a UX/UI/Graphic designer and software developer, and have really tried to get on board with gimp bc its open source, saves $50 monthly, and is hackable all unlike ps, it even has a lisp scripting language! I couldnt do it even with that much goodwill so i honestly cant see any less motivated designer using it. EDIT: of course designers or a ps alternative might not be gimps market at all, and instead just normal end users, in which case gimp should definitely not be criticized. I think people (unjustly perhaps) want gimp to be a ps alternative for designers, its not. plain and simple.
  - beefsack 10y ago
    Parent commenter mentioned "most users," designers are the power users in this vertical and wouldn't constitute the majority.
    - xsmasher 10y ago
the100rabh 10y ago
Remove Holes from selections I dont know about other but this is going to be a big leap forward for sure
lucb1e 10y ago
Many comments here mention things like "Gimp should do this!" or "I'm waiting for years for feature X that <insert popular commercial product from Adobe> has had since forever!" Well, people, this is open source: contrary to commercial products from Adobe, you can do it yourself and get all the features you want! Also, nobody is asking you to use GIMP; you're just welcome to make use of other people's hard work here.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  Linux Airlines When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do WHAT with the seat?"
  - lucb1e 10y ago
    Don't forget to mention it's all free and, if you have the skills to do so, you can build your seat any way you like ;)
  - jonloldrup 10y ago
    Do you truly and honestly sense software quality as a hallmark of Linux? To me, Linux feels like a bucket of papercuts glued together with ... I don't know - something glueish.. I have tried loving Linux for the past 17 years, but I just can't muster the idealism anymore. I have gone back to Windows 7, which is rock stable.
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      I have to use Linux because I am an embedded developer, and all my clients want to use something free. Ok. But I develop in Windows because I can get stuff done. I limp along in the Linux environment, mounting sdcards and sticking thumbdrives into USB ports to copy files, which don't mount right unless you do it very carefully and wait for things to time out and take it out and try again ... Love the simile. I am a human Linux-papercut entity with scars covering every inch of me, from months of struggling to do every single development task from symbolic debugging to editing to mounting storage to finding drivers for old well-supported devices that somehow never got Linux support. But its a living! I make good money papering over Linux's shortcomings for industrial clients. So its got that going for it.
tmaly 10y ago
I have used Gimp for many years now. I ditched Photoshop a long time ago. The one feature I am looking forward to for editing in this release is the Select remove holes feature. Having to expand, contract, and feather selections to remove the small holes caused by a color select with a threshold value was a real pain.
garaetjjte 10y ago
They still have that terrible multi-window mode set as default, or they finally changed it to usable single-window?
- MatmaRex 10y ago
  They changed it a long time ago.
  - mod 10y ago
    Every time I install gimp fresh (lately that's happened on ubuntu and windows) it defaults to multi-window mode.
- bildung 10y ago
  Thankfully, multi-window mode still exists (dito for Inkscape). I have no idea why one could find single-window more usable? The only reason I can imagine would be using Gimp on a single small display (e.g. subnotebook class).
  - ronjouch 10y ago
    I do subjectively find single-window apps more usable, and think they are objectively more approachable. Talk from yesterday on a thread about the Skype UI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12086898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12086898
    - bildung 10y ago
      Thanks for the link! I think it's not really possible to derive general conclusions, regardless of the app in question, though. Compared to Gimp or Inkscape, Skype is a different class of application. From my personal experience, most people doing graphics usually have a multiple monitor setup. That alone rules out Gimp's single window mode for me.
      - ronjouch 10y ago
jeena 10y ago
I really love the part "Statistics on Our Awesome Contributors" in this article, I wish to see that more on oper source releases.
mark_l_watson 10y ago
Good to see. I am on Linux all the time now. The one pain point I have from moving away from OSX is photo editing. I used the Preview program for really fast photo cropping, color correction, etc. it took me close to zero time to edit a photo. On Linux, it feels like I am running through mud when I use Gimp. I need to invest the time to simplify my workflow, obviously.
tambourine_man 10y ago
I really wish there was an open alternative to Photoshop. Unfortunately, Gimp isn't. I fell like printing will be irrelevant/obsolete before Gimp offers proper CMYK support
- mattkevan 10y ago
  Ctrl-F'd the thread to find this. Gimp, no matter its merits, will never be taken seriously as a Photoshop alternative by designers until it has rock-solid CMYK support. Even though most designers I know, myself included, are desperate to get out from Adobe's grip. As an aside, I recently led the switch in our studio from Photoshop to Sketch: the designers were literally bouncing in their chairs for joy as they realised how much better it was.
  - boudewijnrempt 10y ago
    But sketch also doesn't support CMYK, does it? Otherwise people wouldn't need tricks like https://medium.com/sketch-app-sources/creating-resume-in-sketch-d6a77c013fa3#.2ereobpb6 https://medium.com/sketch-app-sources/creating-resume-in-ske...
cocotino 10y ago
Wow, they now have a new GTK+ builtin theme! This will sure crush Photoshop.
anusburger 10y ago
Oh this is great I'll be sure to update my UX and Design team on the status. I'm sure they've been on the edge of their seats!
ravenstine 10y ago
Funny how people who prefer Photoshop always have to show up and take a dump on GIMP just because it doesn't meet their expectations. I don't particularly like Photoshop and haven't used it in nearly a decade, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I think it's bad software.(though I'm not a fan of Adobe's practices) If GIMP is ever going to support the desires of professional designers, it's going to have to be developed by designers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am willing to bet that the people who actively use and develop GIMP are people with programming experience who are doing some digital imaging on the side that doesn't require things like CMYK or high bit depth. GEGL and GIMP have been in development for a long time now, but have advanced in areas that the user base cares about, but not necessarily in areas that professionals care about. Simple as that. If you really hate Photoshop, learn Scheme and contribute to GIMP and GEGL. I do want to comment on the non-destructive editing feature; I feel like that's also a serious designer convenience, but it's never been something that I have personally desired. In fact, I wouldn't really want it, I think. In other software packages that have similar non-destructive capabilities, like Maya, the "history" of an object becomes more and more cumbersome over time. Maybe this doesn't happen in Photoshop, IDK. To be honest, I'm perfectly fine duplicating layers are "backups" before deciding on the right look.
- mdip 10y ago
  I'm certainly not a professional designer but I worked doing quite a bit of graphics work in a previous life and relied heavily on Photoshop to the point that I've, personally, purchased several licenses since version 3.0, though my most recent is CS. I no longer even have it installed anywhere. You're probably right. Most of the developers of GIMP are developers first and probably don't have a perfect understanding or hold the requirements of the design world as highly as a professional designer would, but many of the people who use Photoshop also don't fall within these stringent categories yet most of them will similarly "take a dump on GIMP." The last several times I've had to do graphics work I've used GIMP and taken the time to learn how to do the (now much more limited) things I needed to do using its workflow. I'm perfectly happy with it and relatively convinced that if I had to be doing serious image editing work, I'd be able to do so in GIMP. So when people talk about how they prefer Photoshop, I believe there are a few reasons and all of them have little to do with GIMP being inferior as a product and much more to do with pure preference (emacs vs vi, style): 1. A large number of people are very well trained in every corner of Photoshop's workflow. The frustration factor is much higher for these folks because they're not having to learn something new, they're not expecting it to take a while to do things, they're expecting to be able to be as capable in GIMP as they are in Photoshop having never learned how GIMP works. My first experience with this was moving a selection while I was still making it -- something I do constantly -- hold space in PS and drag. That doesn't work that way in GIMP. The closest analogue I can think of to learning Photoshop was when I broke down and decided to learn Vim - I remember being overwhelmed at how much information I had to keep in mind just to do basic tasks - command permutations, keys that didn't seem similar to any other product and the like. Photoshop is hellishly complex[0] in this manner. Being a GUI product for image editing, I think this surprises people when they dive in. Needless complex? Perhaps in some places, but much of the complexity is necessary. 2. There's seventy tutorials for every kind of manipulation you might want to do in Photoshop. There's sometimes not even one in GIMP. Many people have grown used to finding quick answers for how to do common things in Photoshop due to the wealth of resources available and get frustrated when they can't find the equivalent in GIMP. This adds to the perception that GIMP is inferior - "Everyone uses Photoshop, see all the tutorials?" Between versions 3 and 4, I had purchased several $100+ books, subscribed to print magazines at $99.00/yr and spent countless hours learning how to be productive in the tool. The variety of tutorials out there serve to make learning the product a little harder since you can follow a handful of steps to get the desired effect without understanding enough about it to produce a similar effect using the tools from the walk-through. [0] Try explaining how to use the Pen tool to someone who's never encountered it or something similar. You start by describing its purpose, the variety of ways it can be used, showing examples, then explaining how to manipulate each of the points using a variety of CTRL+ALT clicks. Oops, you dragged the point when you meant to change the orientation of the curve. Wrong key.
boterock 10y ago
Although I'm happy with all the fuzz that this gimp release brings, I feel sad because Krita (another excellent graphics software, also available and better supported in windows than gimp IMO) didn't have this much attention. Still I feel happy that a lot of open source projects are becoming powerful enough to replace its commercial counterparts. I hope that more people start using it and the developers get better funding and can support these software better.
arvinsim 10y ago
I looking into getting around basic photography editing. Is Gimp good enough or should I spring on Pixelmator/Affinity Photo(can't afford Adobe CC)?

504 points by macco 10y ago

aorth 10y ago

Great to see a new release on the 2.9.x branch. I've been using the unofficial McGimp builds[0] for a year or so and I can highly recommend them (if only because there are no official Mac OS X builds from the GIMP team). [0] http://www.partha.com/ http://www.partha.com/

r0muald 10y ago
For those on Linux there have been xdg-app/flatpak nightlies available for a while: http://flatpak.org/apps.html http://flatpak.org/apps.html including the GTK+3 version. They're highly usable but of course care must be taken with changes in the native format. Edit: typos.
mitnk 10y ago
GIMP stuck on Mac at times. Hope this version be better. Thanks for sharing!

slimsag 10y ago

This is huge! Gimp is awesome, and the fact that they added support for MyPaint brushes is huge -- it means artists don't have to switch back and forth between the two constantly. Also, this update puts it in a great stance against Photoshop in general. Now it has a more similar user interface -- something I see people complain about a lot ("Gimp can do everything but I just don't understand the UI like I do with Photoshop"), awesome support for brushes and symmetry (Photoshop was always a bit better with these from what my artist friends told me a few years back), etc. It is a bit of a shame that the official builds lag behind this update, though. I'm on OS X and I'd love to try this out now, but building from source sounds a bit too tedious for me to play around with it for just ~10 minutes.

themartorana 10y ago
I had many hopes for GIMP on OS X but programs like Pixelmator and Affinity Photo (and Designer), while commercial, have made Adobe-level editing affordable (and hopefully sustainable). Is GIMP keeping up?
aorth 10y ago
I had commented below that I am using the unofficial Mac OS X builds[0] of the 2.9.x branch for a year or so now. Works great for my occasional amateur editing needs. [0] http://www.partha.com/ http://www.partha.com/
HoopleHead 10y ago
Does 2,9 (or the forthcoming 2,10) have non-destructive editing yet? It not, they can make all the other improvements they want, but Gimp will still be lagging a decade behind Photoshop.
- dagw 10y ago
  2.9 and 2.10 is about moving completely over to GEGL, the new image processing engine that allows for things like high bit depth images, better color management, OpenCL image filters and Non-destructive editing. Unfortunately actually exposing the non-destructive editing parts in the application has been pushed back to 3.2 on the current road map.
- nkuttler 10y ago
  Does Photoshop have an open source license yet? If not, they can make all they want, but Photoshop will still be lagging 20 years behind GIMP. See how silly that sounds?
  - Finnucane 10y ago
    The difference is that when I am sending files to the press, the press cares if I have sent CMYK, and they do not care if I have used an open-source program. Personally, I prefer to use open-source when I can, but if it doesn't do what I need to do, then the difference is not 'silly'. It's an obstacle.
    - nkuttler 10y ago
      You're absolutely right. OP picked an arbitrary feature though without telling how it affects the world around him and resorted to hyperbole. You actually have a point.
    - cmurf 10y ago
      Almost no workflow involves Photoshop to press. It's Photoshop to some other application, like InDesign, exporting PDF then to press. Likewise GIMP to Scribus, which can convert your RGB images to CMYK before producing the PDF. While common, it's increasingly antiquated for printing companies to insist on CMYK. There are print standards that enable hand off of PDF for blind transfers where all content is defined in a device independent color space.

diminish 10y ago

Great news, I've been using GIMP/Inkscape for a long time. Could someone list open source, (and especially Linux) alternatives and how they compare to GIMP, Inkscape as of 2016 July?

Svip 10y ago
I suppose Krita[0] might be one of the most interesting alternatives. But Krita is more optimised for drawing with a tablet than anything else. Someone who uses Krita a lot has pointed out to me that Krita isn't as good at text handling as GIMP is, for instance. [0] https://krita.org/en/ https://krita.org/en/
- Joeboy 10y ago
  > Krita isn't as good at text handling as GIMP is It must be very, very bad at text handling then.
  - boterock 10y ago
    I believe text handling is one target of this years kickstarter campaign
jhoechtl 10y ago
Krita might be of interest to you as they try to increasingly unite vector drawing (SVG basd) with pixel art. http://www.peppercarrot.com/de/article265/svg-experimentations-and-multilingual-support http://www.peppercarrot.com/de/article265/svg-experimentatio...
Animats 10y ago
I've been using Inkscape for years, but not GIMP. Pinta Image Editor (open source for Linux, BSD, Mac, Windows) finally works reasonably well as an alternative. For years, Pinta crashed resizing an image larger than the screen, and did annoying things like adding the markers from a selection area to the image itself. Those bugs were finally fixed this year. It doesn't have as many bells and whistles as Photoshop or GIMP, but the user interface is entirely graphical and straightforward.

huuu 10y ago

Note this is a developer edition. I just went to the download page to find out this is not a stable version. But, as the page says: "GIMP 2.9.4 is quite reliable for production work, but there are still loose ends to tie"

jrapdx3 10y ago

Looking forward to Gimp 2.9.4 on Windows. I've been using development (2.9.3) versions lately on Win10 and working pretty well. The recent changes will be be quite useful assuming everything works as advertised. UI improvements will be welcome particularly if making Gimp integrate better with Win10 overall. One of the issues I've had with Gimp on Windows is pen support, though the Wacom pen on the Surface Pro 2 has been iffy anyway. Pen use is worse though with Gimp, Inkscape vs. MS apps, but with some luck the new Gimp version will do better.

luchs 10y ago

Nice to know that they're working on better HiDPI support. GTK 3 for some reason has two separate HiDPI settings, but one of them only supports integer scaling factors. Additionally, there is no way to specify different factors for each monitor. If you have two monitors with different densities, a GTK window will always have the wrong scaling on one of them. Qt 5 gets this right. The only frustrating thing there is how many applications still use Qt 4… (same applies to GTK 2, I guess)

djsumdog 10y ago
Yea I hate that about GTK. IntelliJ just uses the DPI setting you set in xrandr for the display. That way I can run IntelliJ remotely over ssh and it still shows up with the right DPI on both a 4k and non-4k monitor without needing to change the settings.

insulanian 10y ago

I'm using Paint.NET on Windows and I really like it - It satisfies all my needs. When I switched to Mac, I was searching for something similar, but in the end decided to use Gimp. However, the thing is just incredibly slow. I have MBP 13 Retina and it takes 6 seconds to apply simple "bucket fill" on an image 3000x4500. Is this normal?

ploxiln 10y ago
Gimp does seem to slow down a lot if an operation would affect a lot of pixels. That's a 13.5 megapixel image, if you're editing a 5MP image, full-canvas operations are much faster. But also, try zooming in on your new 13.5MP image and using a reasonably sized brush, say 20.0 (px?) to paint on it - it's pretty responsive. But if you switch to a gigantic, 200 (px?) brush, it gets a bit laggy (but still fraction-of-second laggy, not multi-second laggy, at that scale).
pfranz 10y ago
I haven't used any of these heavily, but they come up often. Over the past few years I've heard a lot of good things about Krita[1] as an alternative to Gimp. I've found both Pixelmator[2] and Acorn[3] to have enough of the features to replace Photoshop for basic needs. [1] https://krita.org/en/download/krita-desktop/ https://krita.org/en/download/krita-desktop/ [2] http://www.pixelmator.com/mac/ http://www.pixelmator.com/mac/ [3] http://flyingmeat.com/acorn/ http://flyingmeat.com/acorn/
- SyneRyder 10y ago
  Add Affinity Photo to that mix too. It won Apple's Best App Of 2015 award, and is made by Serif (who have a long history of developing photo software, especially on Windows). I have Photoshop CC too, but I use Affinity Photo more often now due to its speed. And as a Photoshop plugin developer, I'm really happy with its strong support for Photoshop plugins - it actually seems more compatible than some versions of Adobe Photoshop Elements. https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/ https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
- timlyo 10y ago

voycey 10y ago

I really wish I could get into using GIMP but after a lifetime of Photoshop usage I just find the interface and shortcuts really clunky! There used to be Gimpshop to change the keybindings to match photoshop's - is there anything like that anymore?

voycey 10y ago
To answer my own question - I found this: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/02/gimp-get-photoshop-like-keyboard.html http://www.webupd8.org/2014/02/gimp-get-photoshop-like-keybo...
NuDinNou 10y ago
http://lifehacker.com/how-to-make-the-gimp-work-more-like-photoshop-1551318983 http://lifehacker.com/how-to-make-the-gimp-work-more-like-ph...

vanderZwan 10y ago

> On Linux, GIMP is now capable of using darktable for pre-processing raw images from DSLRs (Canon CR2, Nikon NEF etc.). Since Darktable is also workflow tool, I'm pretty curious about how well these two are integrated. For example, if I prepare a whole batch of photos in DT without exporting them, is GIMP smart enough to import the files with those settings automatically?

spv 10y ago

Adobe's new subscription model for Photoshop, makes it expensive for non-professionals. GIMP looks more attractive now for occasional photo editing. For Inkscape and GIMP to be a good alternative for Adobe's apps, I think they need to improve on UI a lot. I wonder if there is any umbrella organization which can look after FOSS Design apps like GIMP, Inkscape, Krita etc.

NTripleOne 10y ago
> I think they need to improve on UI a lot. This seems to apply to the majority of FOSS projects.
mei0Iesh 10y ago
Adobe's subscription model certainly excluded a segment of their previous userbase. But some people are more interested in Affinity Designer and Photo than Inkscape and GIMP, despite them being closed source. Designer is available in beta for Windows now, and Photo should be released this fall. https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/windows/ https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/windows/
namaemuta 10y ago
Maybe they can start a kickstarter campaign to get funds for it. I'm pretty sure that a better UI would attract a lot of users that now hesitate between using Photoshop or GIMP.
- spv 10y ago
  For preexisting OSS, I think it is difficult to get a successful Kickstarter campaign because they cannot really sell something for pledges. Have there been any successful Kickstarter FOSS projects ? I think Bountysource is better here but for mega issues like UI redesign or GTK3 port etc a campaign may be the right way to go.
  - dagw 10y ago
    Have there been any successful Kickstarter FOSS projects ? Diaspora was successful in the sense that it got lots of money. It was slightly less successful in delivering on its promises.

fahrradflucht 10y ago

I think such a big revamp of the app would have been an ideal moment to finally change the name to something less disabled hostile.

ZenoArrow 10y ago
I see you're getting downvoted, but I agree with you. The name does hold it back IMO. When I read the name the first thought is gimp in the BDSM sense. Does have an effect on how much I promote it.
- aoloe 10y ago
  For the 87% of the world population that is not native English speaking, Gimp just means nothing, except a fine image manipulation program... (and we had to Google for BDSM. It does not seem to be a BSD Unix variant... and now that I think about it: it might be the reason why FreeBSD is not so popular!) Not only I'm pretty sure that there is an Indic / Chinese language spoken by hundreds of milions people, where Inkscape is a bad word... Also -- even if in my eyes it's a bit childish from the Gimp team to stick to what seems to be perceived as a bad name -- i perceive as even more childish that people keep on complaining that an acronym means something "bad" in their language. Next time you come to the south of Switzerland, I'll invite you for a joyful train ride from Locarno to Domodossola: http://www.centovalli.ch/?lang=EN http://www.centovalli.ch/?lang=EN
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    > "i perceive as even more childish that people keep on complaining that an acronym means something "bad" in their language" I don't usually complain about it, I'm just being honest about it having an effect on how much I promote it. In other words, I talk about it less because of its name. I also doubt I'm the only one. You can paint this as irrational if you want, but if the idea is to promote a free alternative to Photoshop (which makes Gimp a very useful project for the open-source community) it seems a little off to reduce its popularity over something as simple to change as the name.

pritambarhate 10y ago

This is great news. I have used GIMP on and off for more than 10 years now. The new UI changes seem to be exciting. As the other comment noted it seems that official build for OS X is not out yet. Last time I had checked GIMP on OS X, there were lots of UX issues. Hopefully this new release has improved the things. On a slightly unrelated note, as a front-end developer only 2 things have stopped me from using Linux full time. 1. Lack of Photoshop on Linux I know Adobe tried a few years ago and didn't have enough sales for the Linux version to justify the development and maintenance costs. I have used GIMP 2.8 on Linux. The filters and effects and the UX in general didn't justify using it as the only tool in production. Also it seems that GIMP development has happened at a very slow pace for past 5-6 years. In fact, off the top of my head, I can't seem to remember a new exiting feature to it for a long time. There are a few other Mac only low end alternatives like, Acorn, PixelImator and Affinity Photo. Last time I tried Acron. Wasn't impressed. Planning to give Affinity Photo a shot this year. Sketch seems to be picking up as the UX tool of choice but it is also Mac only. I think most of the product makers in this category seem to think, if you are a professional you can get yourself a Mac. However, Apple likes to charge a lot of premium for its products, which puts its products out of range for lots of junior developers and smaller companies in developing economies like India. 2. Lack of MS office on Linux (This is not really that critical these days, just a good to have.) This not really needed for development. But lots of non-technical people use MS Office for documents and specifications. So as a professional it's just easier to get a MS license. And now on subscription model it's quite affordable. I still wish google will release Google Docs as a fully offline product. Something like Google Docs packed as Electron based app will make it more usable for people in India, where always on connectivity is still an issue in major parts of the Country. I haven't used Windows as my main machine for 8 years now. I use a Mac mainly because it gives a stable Unix-like OS with good enough UX. Have waited for Desktop Linux to happen for 16 years now. It has been in "quite close but not there yet" status for past 4-5 years now. But don't know how long this phase is going to last for Linux Desktop.

theparanoid 10y ago
I do traditional and digital drawing. With GIMP 2.9.2 Photoshop was no longer better for drawing on a tablet (ATIV). Haven't looked back since.

allendoerfer 10y ago

I have to open a .psd three times a year and do not like to pay for PS for this or even install it, since I use Linux, so it would be great if the .psd handling would be further improved. I really have no other wishes for Gimp aside from stability and performance: - I learned the Gimp hotkeys first - I know the menu structure around filters and so on is weird compared to PS, but I know it - I like selecting, zooming and scrolling better in Gimp, somehow I have the feeling of more control and find it easier to make something pixel-perfect while getting sent non pixel-perfect .psds - I like the old multi-window interface, even though it took me some time in the beginning to grasp it - the text tool is fixed now Maybe the only thing, which sounds interesting to me are the advanced and non-destructive layer options and transformations (or whatever these features are called in PS), but then again: I know my way around Gimp and if the PS layers were fully supported it would already be fine for me. Edit: Have seen another comment about non-destructive editing and found out, that it is on the roadmap for 3.2 after GTK3 in 3.0. So my hopes are that this way the PS counterparts will be supported, too.

dedosk 10y ago
You can try Krita (www.krita.org) with PSD.
- blub 10y ago
  Gimp and Inkscape are the only free or open source graphics tools that have something resembling a secure download process. Krita serves their website over https and the download over http from some mirror. Can't find any trace of a hash on their site either.
  - p4bl0 10y ago
    Why don't you use your distribution's packages manager to install it?
    - blub 10y ago
      A relative was using MS Paint to draw some simple floor plan diagrams and asked whether there's any better tool available. Gimp is actually overfeatured for what they need, but that was the only thing I found which I could install with a good enough certainty that I won't infect their computer with malware.

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doiwin 10y ago

Ever since I switched from Photoshop to Gimp, I have desperately waiting for non-destrutive editing aka adjustment-layers / filter-layers. It has been years now... So I was excited to see a new version. Checked the features and ... nope. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

dagw 10y ago
non-destructive editing is officially planned for 3.2 at the moment, so you can take a break from looking at new versions and crossing your fingers.
- coldtea 10y ago
  But don't hold your breath either...
  - newhere420 10y ago
    Hasn't GEGL/NDE been on GIMP's roadmap for more than 10 years? I seem to remember giving up on transitioning from Photoshop around 2005...
xuhu 10y ago
Find a developer with spare time who uses GIMP and sell this feature to him.
- coldtea 10y ago
  Yeah, because any random developer who uses GIMP is also an experienced C developer that can hack graphics code? And also his changes to your specs will be welcomed by the GIMP core team...

greenspot 10y ago

Does Gimp has support for display with high pixel density?

stesch 10y ago

> A build for Mac OS X is not available at this time.

rmarsdendox 10y ago

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zouhair 10y ago

Oh man it's already been 16 years since Grokking the GIMP[0] [0] http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html?Grokking_the_GIMP.html http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html?Grokking_the_GIMP.html

timwaagh 10y ago

from gimp i would really love to see a great in-app-tutorial to get new users up to speed. it would make it much more competitive with its illustrious closed source rival if people knew how to do things.

pepijndevos 10y ago

Besides non-destructive editing, decent CMYK support is still missing. But as others have said, they do seem to move in that direction. Maybe Gimp 3 will be usable for real work.

neuromute 10y ago

I've been using Gimp for many years now, and it serves me well. I learnt Photoshop at university, on a Multimedia Tech course. Whilst Photoshop is a fine piece of software, it is overkill for most users. Gimp might be hard to get to grips with for long-time Photoshop users, but it isn't hard, it just takes some muscle-memory adjustment. For users who have never used either, Gimp is a great piece of software to use from the get-go. I've also used Krita of late, and that too is a very good piece of software worth checking out if you want to do photo-editing and digital painting.

jfaucett 10y ago
here's the problem. Photoshop blows gimp out of the water in every way that is important to designers. GIMP is quite adept at simpler tasks/flows i.e. the stuff most people might want to do to an image, crop, put some text, etc. really no major diff here between it and ps. and this is why i teach it to relatives/friends who want to edit their images on a budget. But it is very difficult to make professional grade designs/templates/mockups with gimp (i would venture impossible but im sure someone could do it given enough discipline just as someone could build a httpserver in pure x86 if they really wanted to) source: long time Gimp and Photoshop user, have worked professionally as a UX/UI/Graphic designer and software developer, and have really tried to get on board with gimp bc its open source, saves $50 monthly, and is hackable all unlike ps, it even has a lisp scripting language! I couldnt do it even with that much goodwill so i honestly cant see any less motivated designer using it. EDIT: of course designers or a ps alternative might not be gimps market at all, and instead just normal end users, in which case gimp should definitely not be criticized. I think people (unjustly perhaps) want gimp to be a ps alternative for designers, its not. plain and simple.
- beefsack 10y ago
  Parent commenter mentioned "most users," designers are the power users in this vertical and wouldn't constitute the majority.
  - xsmasher 10y ago

the100rabh 10y ago

Remove Holes from selections I dont know about other but this is going to be a big leap forward for sure

lucb1e 10y ago

Many comments here mention things like "Gimp should do this!" or "I'm waiting for years for feature X that <insert popular commercial product from Adobe> has had since forever!" Well, people, this is open source: contrary to commercial products from Adobe, you can do it yourself and get all the features you want! Also, nobody is asking you to use GIMP; you're just welcome to make use of other people's hard work here.

Hydraulix989 10y ago
Linux Airlines When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do WHAT with the seat?"
- lucb1e 10y ago
  Don't forget to mention it's all free and, if you have the skills to do so, you can build your seat any way you like ;)
- jonloldrup 10y ago
  Do you truly and honestly sense software quality as a hallmark of Linux? To me, Linux feels like a bucket of papercuts glued together with ... I don't know - something glueish.. I have tried loving Linux for the past 17 years, but I just can't muster the idealism anymore. I have gone back to Windows 7, which is rock stable.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    I have to use Linux because I am an embedded developer, and all my clients want to use something free. Ok. But I develop in Windows because I can get stuff done. I limp along in the Linux environment, mounting sdcards and sticking thumbdrives into USB ports to copy files, which don't mount right unless you do it very carefully and wait for things to time out and take it out and try again ... Love the simile. I am a human Linux-papercut entity with scars covering every inch of me, from months of struggling to do every single development task from symbolic debugging to editing to mounting storage to finding drivers for old well-supported devices that somehow never got Linux support. But its a living! I make good money papering over Linux's shortcomings for industrial clients. So its got that going for it.

tmaly 10y ago

I have used Gimp for many years now. I ditched Photoshop a long time ago. The one feature I am looking forward to for editing in this release is the Select remove holes feature. Having to expand, contract, and feather selections to remove the small holes caused by a color select with a threshold value was a real pain.

garaetjjte 10y ago

They still have that terrible multi-window mode set as default, or they finally changed it to usable single-window?

MatmaRex 10y ago
They changed it a long time ago.
- mod 10y ago
  Every time I install gimp fresh (lately that's happened on ubuntu and windows) it defaults to multi-window mode.
bildung 10y ago
Thankfully, multi-window mode still exists (dito for Inkscape). I have no idea why one could find single-window more usable? The only reason I can imagine would be using Gimp on a single small display (e.g. subnotebook class).
- ronjouch 10y ago
  I do subjectively find single-window apps more usable, and think they are objectively more approachable. Talk from yesterday on a thread about the Skype UI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12086898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12086898
  - bildung 10y ago
    Thanks for the link! I think it's not really possible to derive general conclusions, regardless of the app in question, though. Compared to Gimp or Inkscape, Skype is a different class of application. From my personal experience, most people doing graphics usually have a multiple monitor setup. That alone rules out Gimp's single window mode for me.
    - ronjouch 10y ago

jeena 10y ago

I really love the part "Statistics on Our Awesome Contributors" in this article, I wish to see that more on oper source releases.

mark_l_watson 10y ago

Good to see. I am on Linux all the time now. The one pain point I have from moving away from OSX is photo editing. I used the Preview program for really fast photo cropping, color correction, etc. it took me close to zero time to edit a photo. On Linux, it feels like I am running through mud when I use Gimp. I need to invest the time to simplify my workflow, obviously.

tambourine_man 10y ago

I really wish there was an open alternative to Photoshop. Unfortunately, Gimp isn't. I fell like printing will be irrelevant/obsolete before Gimp offers proper CMYK support

mattkevan 10y ago
Ctrl-F'd the thread to find this. Gimp, no matter its merits, will never be taken seriously as a Photoshop alternative by designers until it has rock-solid CMYK support. Even though most designers I know, myself included, are desperate to get out from Adobe's grip. As an aside, I recently led the switch in our studio from Photoshop to Sketch: the designers were literally bouncing in their chairs for joy as they realised how much better it was.
- boudewijnrempt 10y ago
  But sketch also doesn't support CMYK, does it? Otherwise people wouldn't need tricks like https://medium.com/sketch-app-sources/creating-resume-in-sketch-d6a77c013fa3#.2ereobpb6 https://medium.com/sketch-app-sources/creating-resume-in-ske...

cocotino 10y ago

Wow, they now have a new GTK+ builtin theme! This will sure crush Photoshop.

anusburger 10y ago

Oh this is great I'll be sure to update my UX and Design team on the status. I'm sure they've been on the edge of their seats!

ravenstine 10y ago

Funny how people who prefer Photoshop always have to show up and take a dump on GIMP just because it doesn't meet their expectations. I don't particularly like Photoshop and haven't used it in nearly a decade, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I think it's bad software.(though I'm not a fan of Adobe's practices) If GIMP is ever going to support the desires of professional designers, it's going to have to be developed by designers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am willing to bet that the people who actively use and develop GIMP are people with programming experience who are doing some digital imaging on the side that doesn't require things like CMYK or high bit depth. GEGL and GIMP have been in development for a long time now, but have advanced in areas that the user base cares about, but not necessarily in areas that professionals care about. Simple as that. If you really hate Photoshop, learn Scheme and contribute to GIMP and GEGL. I do want to comment on the non-destructive editing feature; I feel like that's also a serious designer convenience, but it's never been something that I have personally desired. In fact, I wouldn't really want it, I think. In other software packages that have similar non-destructive capabilities, like Maya, the "history" of an object becomes more and more cumbersome over time. Maybe this doesn't happen in Photoshop, IDK. To be honest, I'm perfectly fine duplicating layers are "backups" before deciding on the right look.

mdip 10y ago
I'm certainly not a professional designer but I worked doing quite a bit of graphics work in a previous life and relied heavily on Photoshop to the point that I've, personally, purchased several licenses since version 3.0, though my most recent is CS. I no longer even have it installed anywhere. You're probably right. Most of the developers of GIMP are developers first and probably don't have a perfect understanding or hold the requirements of the design world as highly as a professional designer would, but many of the people who use Photoshop also don't fall within these stringent categories yet most of them will similarly "take a dump on GIMP." The last several times I've had to do graphics work I've used GIMP and taken the time to learn how to do the (now much more limited) things I needed to do using its workflow. I'm perfectly happy with it and relatively convinced that if I had to be doing serious image editing work, I'd be able to do so in GIMP. So when people talk about how they prefer Photoshop, I believe there are a few reasons and all of them have little to do with GIMP being inferior as a product and much more to do with pure preference (emacs vs vi, style): 1. A large number of people are very well trained in every corner of Photoshop's workflow. The frustration factor is much higher for these folks because they're not having to learn something new, they're not expecting it to take a while to do things, they're expecting to be able to be as capable in GIMP as they are in Photoshop having never learned how GIMP works. My first experience with this was moving a selection while I was still making it -- something I do constantly -- hold space in PS and drag. That doesn't work that way in GIMP. The closest analogue I can think of to learning Photoshop was when I broke down and decided to learn Vim - I remember being overwhelmed at how much information I had to keep in mind just to do basic tasks - command permutations, keys that didn't seem similar to any other product and the like. Photoshop is hellishly complex[0] in this manner. Being a GUI product for image editing, I think this surprises people when they dive in. Needless complex? Perhaps in some places, but much of the complexity is necessary. 2. There's seventy tutorials for every kind of manipulation you might want to do in Photoshop. There's sometimes not even one in GIMP. Many people have grown used to finding quick answers for how to do common things in Photoshop due to the wealth of resources available and get frustrated when they can't find the equivalent in GIMP. This adds to the perception that GIMP is inferior - "Everyone uses Photoshop, see all the tutorials?" Between versions 3 and 4, I had purchased several $100+ books, subscribed to print magazines at $99.00/yr and spent countless hours learning how to be productive in the tool. The variety of tutorials out there serve to make learning the product a little harder since you can follow a handful of steps to get the desired effect without understanding enough about it to produce a similar effect using the tools from the walk-through. [0] Try explaining how to use the Pen tool to someone who's never encountered it or something similar. You start by describing its purpose, the variety of ways it can be used, showing examples, then explaining how to manipulate each of the points using a variety of CTRL+ALT clicks. Oops, you dragged the point when you meant to change the orientation of the curve. Wrong key.

boterock 10y ago

Although I'm happy with all the fuzz that this gimp release brings, I feel sad because Krita (another excellent graphics software, also available and better supported in windows than gimp IMO) didn't have this much attention. Still I feel happy that a lot of open source projects are becoming powerful enough to replace its commercial counterparts. I hope that more people start using it and the developers get better funding and can support these software better.

arvinsim 10y ago

I looking into getting around basic photography editing. Is Gimp good enough or should I spring on Pixelmator/Affinity Photo(can't afford Adobe CC)?