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> As for Shatford, he’s moving to Denver this week, after 13 years of living in Santa Monica. He said he hopes people are more tolerant there. Skeptical.
by untilHellbanned 10y ago
> As for Shatford, he’s moving to Denver this week, after 13 years of living in Santa Monica. He said he hopes people are more tolerant there.
Skeptical.
- danso 10y agoUm, tolerant of what? Is he planning to do short term rentals in Denver? If so, has he not looked up their regulations? Because it seems like Denver passed laws that would highly restrict what he was doing in Santa Monica: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/13/denver-city-council-considers-short-term-rentals/ http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/13/denver-city-council-con... (Short term rentals are allowed in primary residences, but not for vacation homes)
- cmurf 10y agoHe doesn't care about the law. He didn't care about it in Santa Monica. And he's completely unrepentant in that case. Naturally he's moving on to the next town to see if he can get away with it there.
- aminok 10y agoYeah we need snuff out the scourge of voluntary market transactions.
- vidarh 10y agoThese transactions have affected parties that are not voluntary participants, such as the neighbours. That is the problem.
- aminok 10y agoIf tenants are disturbing neighbours the owner should be held liable, whether the tenant is a short term renter or a long term renter. Airbnb has an effective mechanism to ensure good guest behavior: ratings. There is no justification for discriminating against all short term renters to prevent neighbours from being disturbed. The affected parties city governments are pandering to are those looking to rent long-term, and they have no legal or moral claim to renting someone else's asset, let alone dictating the rate at which it is rented out.
- c22 10y agoBut neighbors don't get to rate the renters of the airbnb next door, so who will give them a negative rating? The business owner who does not reside there and is hoping for no repeat customers?
- aminok 10y agoIf the city can create a law punishing landlords who rent short term, they can create a law punishing landlords whose tenants disturb neighbours. Once the incentive is there, landlords using Airbnb will be sure to monitor guest behavior toward the commons/neighbours, and report misbehaviour in the ratings they give out.
- c22 10y agoBut we already have a framework of laws governing the business of offering short term rentals. Why is creating and enforcing this new framework better than asking people who want to run hotels to just follow the existing rules? It doesn't sound simpler.
- aminok 10y agoThe laws violate human rights. People should not have their right to contract denied. Actions that infringe upon the rights of others, like damaging the common area of an apartment building, or creating noise pollution, can be justifiably prohibited, but not actions that are non-infringing and only deemed to be correlated with the infringing action. In other words, prohibiting short term rentals is a form of repression.
- cmurf 10y agoYou're completely wrong on every count. Your argument weirdly proposes a totally anti-democracy, pro-mercantilst point of view where citizens have no right to petition government for zoning laws that clearly disallow, for everyone, operating certain types of business in those zone. Short term rental is widely regarded as operating a hotel or b&b.
- wavefunction 10y agoI'm not sympathetic to the guy but he will likely find no friendlier clime in Denver than Santa Monica. Denver metro real-estate is crazy.
- themartorana 10y agoIs there an inner city whose metro area real estate isn't considered crazy against local suburbs?
- akiselev 10y agoDetroit?