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> A persons skin color is part of their identity Unless they're white, at which point they get shunned if they even try to embrace that part of their identity.
by mhenr18 10y ago
> A persons skin color is part of their identity
Unless they're white, at which point they get shunned if they even try to embrace that part of their identity.
If a black man says he's proud to be black, that's perfectly fine. If a white man says he's proud to be white, people think "what's wrong with being any other skin color?"
- balls187 10y agoI think you've missed the point about racial identity. White people do get to embrace their identity, but how it's how they do it that matters. "White pride", for better or worse, is closely linked to "white supremacy." That is different than, https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ which embraces and celebrates "white" culture, without demonizing other cultures.
- nitwit005 10y agoI've yet to see an example of anyone seriously celebrating being white in some way that wasn't automatically being treated as racist. Things like what you link seem to get a pass because it's somewhat satirical in nature.
- balls187 10y agoHow would you celebrate white culture?
- nitwit005 10y agoType "celebration of black" into Google, look at the auto-complete results. Imagine those things, but with black flipped to white.
- balls187 10y agoThat sort of celebration happens defacto. I guess you prefer it to be called out explicitly? Or when you were in grade school, did you only learn about ["black","asian","latino"] authors, musicians, scholars, scientists, inventors, actors, etc etc?
- mc32 10y agoIt depends what country you went to school in. So, yes, there are quite a few places where you will get only "["black","asian","latino"] authors, musicians, scholars, scientists, inventors, actors" till you get to university and get exposed to more. I mean, you don't think in Columbia, or Ukraine or the Philippines you'll read much American authors, musicians, scholars, scientists, inventors, actors, etc., other than those part of the global patrimony?
- true_religion 10y agoThe United States is the only place that I have lived that has celebrated 'black culture'. It's in fact, the only place where the culture is even defined like that. Because the native ethnic cultures, and tribal ties were destroyed by years of slavery, the United States is one of the few places which has a culture for 'blacks' that's uniquely different from anything of a specific tribe. Being from a W. African country, I'm keenly aware that we do not celebrate 'Africanism', or even nationalism in any respect despite the government's best efforts to get us to do so. Everyone is broadly aware of their family, their tribe, and their choice religion/philosophy. With respect to white culture, I think it must be hard to celebrate it in isolation. Almost anything that you would want to celebrate, could be given to a specific nation (thus be patriotic, not race pride), or given to a specific European ethnicity (e.g. most foods, older music, and the like).
- balls187 10y ago> With respect to white culture, I think it must be hard to celebrate it in isolation. Almost anything that you would want to celebrate, could be given to a specific nation (thus be patriotic, not race pride) Or in other words, already celebrated everyday here in America.
- CWuestefeld 10y agocelebrated != experienced
- glogla 10y ago> The United States is the only place that I have lived that has celebrated 'black culture'. It's in fact, the only place where the culture is even defined like that. Oh yes, that's a good point. In Europe, Germans celebrate German culture, Frenchmen celebrate French culture, etc. Culture is not considered to be the same thing as skin color.
- throwanem 10y ago> https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ which embraces and celebrates "white" culture Seriously? Have you read it at all?
- balls187 10y agoYou clearly missed my point. How would you celebrate white culture?
- throwanem 10y agoI wouldn't assume there is such a thing as a single, monolithic "white culture", to start with. (Or black culture, or Latin culture, or...) Stuff White People Like describes what is specifically the culture of coastal urban white hipsters, which is a relatively small subset of white people in the US. It's really inaccurate to think of those traits as "white culture" period. And I'd call what SWPL does with its subject matter less "celebration" than "savage excoriation". Maybe the people it describes don't take it so; I don't know. I've never yet knowingly run into anyone who took it any other way.
- drumdance 10y agoBeing "proud to be white" is meaningless. Being proud to be Irish or Italian or German is not.
- mhenr18 10y agoIf I'm born in my Australia, and my parents were, and their parents were, and their parents were, I'm not Irish or Italian or German or whatever majority-white European country you want to pick that I have a vague connection to. I'm Australian. The same applies to the Aboriginal people who have been here for thousands and thousands of years, before my ancestors invaded under a false pretense and treated them like garbage. However, those were my ancestors. Each generation is progressively less racist than the one before, and we're just as Australian as each other. The issue is not one of national identity but one of racial and cultural identity. Realistically, it's something that white people will have to put up with and understand as we're still in the long hangover of our more racist years. However, at some point our children (or our children's children) are going to ask why it's it's socially fine to embrace other races and cultures when it's shunned to embrace their own for reasons that are totally out of their control.