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I can't follow. How is this incident related to any genocide, dictatorship, erdogan... what? I have the feeling you are just cherry picking this to troll on an

I can't follow. How is this incident related to any genocide, dictatorship, erdogan... what? I have the feeling you are just cherry picking this to troll on and not interested in talking about the different dogmatics of legal systems. I didn't want to personalize the discussion, just replace "you" and "me" with "any person from your belief system" and "any person from my belief system". It looks to me that you are not interested in thinking about other people's opinion and/or belief system. Now THAT was a personal remark.

frabbit 10y ago
> I can't follow. How is this incident related to any genocide, dictatorship, erdogan... what? Really? So, you can't see the link between the German state's power to choose which speech acts can be punished and the punishing of someone for speech acts? You cannot see the link between the Turkish bombing and starving of the Kurdish people and the historical assaults by your own country on minority populations? I am not going to reply any more to you as you have descended to personalized abuse, but I will close with thanking you for illustrating exactly why the policing of free speech can never be allowed: there are too many people like you who are incapable of exercising tolerance and rationality, and once a lever of power and control is in your hands you will pull it. Thank you, and god bless the USA.
- king_phil 10y ago
  "The German state" is a construct in form of a organization. The people who decide are forming the structure of this organization. The concrete people who are deciding who is punished are judges. As I already stated in this discussion, we employ "Gewaltenteilung" to separate judiciary, execute and legislative. So "the state" is not able to punish anybody, it is people who punish. And they do by the rules that are set for the judiciary, which are made by the legislative and carried out by the executive. The executive has a different set of rules than the legislative and they have a different set then the judiciary. These different sets of rules are each a corrective for potential abuse of power. There is no "state" punishing anybody, it is a set of rules made by people, carried out by people, watched by people. For somebody who broadcasts that free speech is the Holy grail you act like you don't tolerate no opinion besides your own. You're basically a fanatic and revealed your own colors.

frabbit 10y ago

> I can't follow. How is this incident related to any genocide, dictatorship, erdogan... what? Really? So, you can't see the link between the German state's power to choose which speech acts can be punished and the punishing of someone for speech acts? You cannot see the link between the Turkish bombing and starving of the Kurdish people and the historical assaults by your own country on minority populations? I am not going to reply any more to you as you have descended to personalized abuse, but I will close with thanking you for illustrating exactly why the policing of free speech can never be allowed: there are too many people like you who are incapable of exercising tolerance and rationality, and once a lever of power and control is in your hands you will pull it. Thank you, and god bless the USA.

king_phil 10y ago
"The German state" is a construct in form of a organization. The people who decide are forming the structure of this organization. The concrete people who are deciding who is punished are judges. As I already stated in this discussion, we employ "Gewaltenteilung" to separate judiciary, execute and legislative. So "the state" is not able to punish anybody, it is people who punish. And they do by the rules that are set for the judiciary, which are made by the legislative and carried out by the executive. The executive has a different set of rules than the legislative and they have a different set then the judiciary. These different sets of rules are each a corrective for potential abuse of power. There is no "state" punishing anybody, it is a set of rules made by people, carried out by people, watched by people. For somebody who broadcasts that free speech is the Holy grail you act like you don't tolerate no opinion besides your own. You're basically a fanatic and revealed your own colors.