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How about an actual solution? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.pryfi https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.p...

How about an actual solution? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.pryfi https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.p... It's pretty much set-and-forget, randomized per-AP macs and random changes while scanning.

smacktoward 10y ago
But the whole point is that you shouldn't have to do that. The burden shouldn't be on the individual to constantly be finding ways to keep one step ahead of surveillance. The burden should be on those who would surveil them to justify why it's necessary.
- throwanem 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem
  - inanutshellus 10y ago
    I infer from this you're saying "crap in one hand, wish in the other and see which fills up first"?
    - throwanem 10y ago
      That's an unduly reductive take. A more accurate way to put it would be that, regardless of what should be the case, it's necessary to cope with what is.
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      - inanutshellus 10y ago
        It's pretty impressive to be reductive against a post with no words! In all seriousness, it's a perfectly legitimate--albeit crass--interpretation, given the expressed intent (none). GGP says "these things ought to be true". Then there's a reply with a bare link saying, effectively, "is" statements are true, "ought" statements are fantasy/desire/normative. The rest of any kind of interpretation requires more context and intent.
- ultramancool 10y ago
  > you shouldn't have to do that Unfortunately, like with many things, there's no way to prevent them from doing it, so "shouldn't" has no relevance here. If it's profitable or entertaining to exploit that data, people will do so. Legislate and regulate as you may, I can't depend on it because I can't validate it on my side. If you have no way to verify something, you must always counteract it to the best of your ability.
4ndr3vv 10y ago
Changing your mac address wont protect you from being identified - browser fingerprints are just as effective https://panopticlick.eff.org/ https://panopticlick.eff.org/
- ultramancool 10y ago
  On phones, not so much. Running it on my phone in Firefox I get 66k browsers with an identical fingerprint. In Chrome, 133k exact matches. That said, if you're using public wifi you should be using a VPN anyways, so MAC would be identifiable, but nothing else would.

smacktoward 10y ago

But the whole point is that you shouldn't have to do that. The burden shouldn't be on the individual to constantly be finding ways to keep one step ahead of surveillance. The burden should be on those who would surveil them to justify why it's necessary.

throwanem 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem
- inanutshellus 10y ago
  I infer from this you're saying "crap in one hand, wish in the other and see which fills up first"?
  - throwanem 10y ago
    That's an unduly reductive take. A more accurate way to put it would be that, regardless of what should be the case, it's necessary to cope with what is.
    - deleted 10y ago
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    - inanutshellus 10y ago
      It's pretty impressive to be reductive against a post with no words! In all seriousness, it's a perfectly legitimate--albeit crass--interpretation, given the expressed intent (none). GGP says "these things ought to be true". Then there's a reply with a bare link saying, effectively, "is" statements are true, "ought" statements are fantasy/desire/normative. The rest of any kind of interpretation requires more context and intent.
ultramancool 10y ago
> you shouldn't have to do that Unfortunately, like with many things, there's no way to prevent them from doing it, so "shouldn't" has no relevance here. If it's profitable or entertaining to exploit that data, people will do so. Legislate and regulate as you may, I can't depend on it because I can't validate it on my side. If you have no way to verify something, you must always counteract it to the best of your ability.

4ndr3vv 10y ago

Changing your mac address wont protect you from being identified - browser fingerprints are just as effective https://panopticlick.eff.org/ https://panopticlick.eff.org/

ultramancool 10y ago
On phones, not so much. Running it on my phone in Firefox I get 66k browsers with an identical fingerprint. In Chrome, 133k exact matches. That said, if you're using public wifi you should be using a VPN anyways, so MAC would be identifiable, but nothing else would.