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The focus on a fixed racial identity is actually really important. It's one thing to rebel against a nebulous "global elite" archetype; where the movement reall

The focus on a fixed racial identity is actually really important. It's one thing to rebel against a nebulous "global elite" archetype; where the movement really gets legs is when it is attached to a concrete identifier. Whether the focus on Jews is accurate or not I cannot say, but it pairs well with other themes (over-representation of Jews in media/politics, USA's unwavering support for Israel) to create a compelling case for a conspiratorial "cabal"

pjc50 10y ago
I can't tell whether you're in favour of this or just stating what you believe someone else's position to be here, but I'd like to remind HN that accusing the Jews of running a cabal is literally what led to the Holocaust. That is why Germany takes a stricter line against the far right than most countries.
- cloakandswagger 10y ago
  Yes, thanks for the reminder. I'm explaining why some nationalists are magnetized towards belief in a Jewish conspiracy. Putting an embargo on any discussion pertaining to that only confirms what these people believe, and outright arresting them REALLY confirms and spreads the belief. A similar situation played out during the Waco siege. You have a group of cultists who are convinced that the end of the world is coming, and that it will be marked by persecution leading up to an outright attack against them. It sort of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when an army of ATF agents show up at their door.
  - emblem21 10y ago
    From what I've researched, it has little to do with the end of the world and more about the failure to suppress questioning the world. For example, I'm going to give you a list of last names: Bernanke, Greenspan, Yellen, Madoff, Goldman, Icahn, Eisner, Weinstein, Zuckerberg, Ginsburg, Adelson, Bloomberg, Strauss-Kahn, Axelrod, Brin, Ellison, Friedman My question to you is, Do you believe you can shame and attack people forever without retaliation for seeing patterns in that list of last names and why do you think that is the only way to go about it? And another question, just to get the brain juice bubbling: Do you think the massive expansion of credit after 1974 and the subsequent tech bubbles it made possible did anything to help the "fly-over" states or the "ghettos" of America?

pjc50 10y ago

I can't tell whether you're in favour of this or just stating what you believe someone else's position to be here, but I'd like to remind HN that accusing the Jews of running a cabal is literally what led to the Holocaust. That is why Germany takes a stricter line against the far right than most countries.

cloakandswagger 10y ago
Yes, thanks for the reminder. I'm explaining why some nationalists are magnetized towards belief in a Jewish conspiracy. Putting an embargo on any discussion pertaining to that only confirms what these people believe, and outright arresting them REALLY confirms and spreads the belief. A similar situation played out during the Waco siege. You have a group of cultists who are convinced that the end of the world is coming, and that it will be marked by persecution leading up to an outright attack against them. It sort of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when an army of ATF agents show up at their door.
- emblem21 10y ago
  From what I've researched, it has little to do with the end of the world and more about the failure to suppress questioning the world. For example, I'm going to give you a list of last names: Bernanke, Greenspan, Yellen, Madoff, Goldman, Icahn, Eisner, Weinstein, Zuckerberg, Ginsburg, Adelson, Bloomberg, Strauss-Kahn, Axelrod, Brin, Ellison, Friedman My question to you is, Do you believe you can shame and attack people forever without retaliation for seeing patterns in that list of last names and why do you think that is the only way to go about it? And another question, just to get the brain juice bubbling: Do you think the massive expansion of credit after 1974 and the subsequent tech bubbles it made possible did anything to help the "fly-over" states or the "ghettos" of America?