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Freedom of speech to the extent that we have in the US is not very common. There are tons of laws in Germany specifically the limit free speech due to being ver

Freedom of speech to the extent that we have in the US is not very common. There are tons of laws in Germany specifically the limit free speech due to being very sensitive about Holocaust deniers and people who try to incite mass hatred. Even Canadian free speech laws are much more limited than the US. See the ridiculous "twitter harassment case" from last year/early this year.

xiaoma 10y ago
China also does this. Certain beliefs about history simply aren't permitted. tldr; if you don't want police to raid, don't break the law.
guard-of-terra 10y ago
Why is it okay to deny Armenian genocide then? Not that I like Armenians that much, but it kind of making no sense. Why not level the playing field by making other countries admit their genocides and crimes like Germany and Russia did?
- pjc50 10y ago
  It isn't OK? On the other hand, it's not as if Germany can make it illegal for Turkey to deny genocide. (What did Russia actually admit?)
  - guard-of-terra 10y ago
    Germany could recognise that genocide and be adamant with it when talking to Turks. Every large Russian city has some monument dedicated to Soviet political prisoners. Plus sometimes there are monuments related to more specific ethnic/politican groups if they happened to suffer at that place. Find one about Armenians in Turkey?
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > On the other hand, it's not as if Germany can make it illegal for Turkey to deny genocide. They can (the nature of sovereignty is such that a sovereign can outlaw anyone doing anything), though they may have trouble enforcing the law by which they make that illegal. Foreign states have been dragged into another state's courts for violations of the latter state's law, though (this is particularly true when the latter state is the US), so its not necessarily the case that there is no possibility of some accountability to such a law.
    - iofj 10y ago
      By that standard, so can I.
- pc86 10y ago
  I suggest we keep the blatant racism off of HN.
  - guard-of-terra 10y ago
    Where's racism here? Irish don't like English. French don't like Germans. I don't like Armenians. Should I? People don't like each other by default. But the depth of this feeling is not enough to be considered racism (especially when both of us are "Caucasian") and can surely be overriden by personal experience with a given Armenian.
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pjc50 10y ago
US freedom of speech in action: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/after-dallas-shootings-police-arrest-people-for-criticizing-cops-on-facebook-and-twitter/ https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/after-dallas-shootings-p...
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  Three of those were people directly and clearly threatening to kill a police officer. A fourth one was saying she'd kill a police officer if she was pulled over, and got a "disorderly conduct" charge which may very well get thrown out. She was arrested and immediately released. Freedom of speech is working fine aside from NSLs.

xiaoma 10y ago

China also does this. Certain beliefs about history simply aren't permitted. tldr; if you don't want police to raid, don't break the law.

guard-of-terra 10y ago

Why is it okay to deny Armenian genocide then? Not that I like Armenians that much, but it kind of making no sense. Why not level the playing field by making other countries admit their genocides and crimes like Germany and Russia did?

pjc50 10y ago
It isn't OK? On the other hand, it's not as if Germany can make it illegal for Turkey to deny genocide. (What did Russia actually admit?)
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  Germany could recognise that genocide and be adamant with it when talking to Turks. Every large Russian city has some monument dedicated to Soviet political prisoners. Plus sometimes there are monuments related to more specific ethnic/politican groups if they happened to suffer at that place. Find one about Armenians in Turkey?
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > On the other hand, it's not as if Germany can make it illegal for Turkey to deny genocide. They can (the nature of sovereignty is such that a sovereign can outlaw anyone doing anything), though they may have trouble enforcing the law by which they make that illegal. Foreign states have been dragged into another state's courts for violations of the latter state's law, though (this is particularly true when the latter state is the US), so its not necessarily the case that there is no possibility of some accountability to such a law.
  - iofj 10y ago
    By that standard, so can I.
pc86 10y ago
I suggest we keep the blatant racism off of HN.
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  Where's racism here? Irish don't like English. French don't like Germans. I don't like Armenians. Should I? People don't like each other by default. But the depth of this feeling is not enough to be considered racism (especially when both of us are "Caucasian") and can surely be overriden by personal experience with a given Armenian.
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pjc50 10y ago

US freedom of speech in action: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/after-dallas-shootings-police-arrest-people-for-criticizing-cops-on-facebook-and-twitter/ https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/after-dallas-shootings-p...

whamlastxmas 10y ago
Three of those were people directly and clearly threatening to kill a police officer. A fourth one was saying she'd kill a police officer if she was pulled over, and got a "disorderly conduct" charge which may very well get thrown out. She was arrested and immediately released. Freedom of speech is working fine aside from NSLs.