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> because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police 1. 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified

by tajen 10y ago

> because we don't mourn criminals, thugs, people who reach for guns when confronted by police 1. 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed [1]. 2. In the current example, the black victim didn't resist arrest. 3. Those 500-600 weren't criminals, because you can only say they're "criminal" after a fair trial (oh, sorry, that's something to do with "human rights", if only you could understand what that means). 4. "Not mourning criminals" or not treating them as humans is the primary reason why USA is not compliant with human rights. The reason why it is important to treat assumed criminals as humans is in my point #5. 5. The reason why people resist arrests is because they have absolutely no trust that the judiciary system will judge them fairly. Today, an innocent would rather die than enter the judiciary system [2]. [1] http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/ [2] Innocents are cornered into plea bargain, which is 90% of the criminal cases in USA - It means for 90% criminal cases, there was no formal proof that the accused was guilty. I know, they're black, male, muscular and poor, right!? But that doesn't mean they're guilty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain So, once again, you "don't mourn criminals, thugs and people who reach for guns when confronted by police", except you ought to mourn the innocent, the weak and the people who are mugged by police, and you should do that because the police also does it to white people, and you have even fewer organizations to defend against that.

obj-g 10y ago
What's the current example? Of course they weren't all criminals. Many of them were, though, you know, from prior arrests/crimes. Like this recent "victim" (or angel as some would have us believe): sex offender, arrest history, felon, gun in pocket, struggling against police trying to keep him on the ground, reaching for gun. But no, he's portrayed as some beloved member of the community and family man. Five kids, but basically homeless. Right. If people stopped resisting and had some respect for officers, there would be far fewer fatal shootings. If a police officer tells me to do something, I do it. That's how it works. Black people, from certain black subcultures, start in with, "Nah man why you fuckin' wit me." I really don't understand why you want to protect the dregs of society and black society who don't know how to act, rather than help improve black communities, help them educate and advance and rid themselves of their most violent and counterproductive subcultures that reward unlawful and disrespectful behavior and keep them ignorant. As a black person, you're far far far more likely to be killed by another black person than a cop. Fine, disarm the cops and move to the hood. See how wonderful it is.
- fido2 10y ago
  I agree. I lived for a bit in downtown Detroit. People seriously need to visit the hood before they talk about the police.
  - obj-g 10y ago
    Yeah, I think if people could go on a ride along with police in a troubled community at two in the morning they'd be singing an entirely different tune.
- TheCoelacanth 10y ago
  If the police showed respect for the lives and rights of the people in the community that they are policing, there would be far fewer people resisting and disrespecting them.
  - obj-g 10y ago
    Right, all the gangbangers and thugs want is respect from the police! Thanks for the laugh. Honestly though, I'm sure the police try to be as respectful as they can be at first. But because of things like BLM, they don't have a chance, since a cop even stopping and talking to a black person now is considered horrible racism. And probably speaking politely and respectfully would be considered patronizing or something. However you want to spin it. Police aren't here to be your friend. They are here to keep you safe. As evidenced in Dallas, they will even protect those so vehemently against them. But I personally don't think they should be obligated to show respect for people who don't respect themselves or others, which unfortunately, is a rather large percentage of some of these unfortunate communities where you probably wouldn't last a day.

by tajen 10y ago

obj-g 10y ago

What's the current example? Of course they weren't all criminals. Many of them were, though, you know, from prior arrests/crimes. Like this recent "victim" (or angel as some would have us believe): sex offender, arrest history, felon, gun in pocket, struggling against police trying to keep him on the ground, reaching for gun. But no, he's portrayed as some beloved member of the community and family man. Five kids, but basically homeless. Right. If people stopped resisting and had some respect for officers, there would be far fewer fatal shootings. If a police officer tells me to do something, I do it. That's how it works. Black people, from certain black subcultures, start in with, "Nah man why you fuckin' wit me." I really don't understand why you want to protect the dregs of society and black society who don't know how to act, rather than help improve black communities, help them educate and advance and rid themselves of their most violent and counterproductive subcultures that reward unlawful and disrespectful behavior and keep them ignorant. As a black person, you're far far far more likely to be killed by another black person than a cop. Fine, disarm the cops and move to the hood. See how wonderful it is.

fido2 10y ago
I agree. I lived for a bit in downtown Detroit. People seriously need to visit the hood before they talk about the police.
- obj-g 10y ago
  Yeah, I think if people could go on a ride along with police in a troubled community at two in the morning they'd be singing an entirely different tune.
TheCoelacanth 10y ago
If the police showed respect for the lives and rights of the people in the community that they are policing, there would be far fewer people resisting and disrespecting them.
- obj-g 10y ago
  Right, all the gangbangers and thugs want is respect from the police! Thanks for the laugh. Honestly though, I'm sure the police try to be as respectful as they can be at first. But because of things like BLM, they don't have a chance, since a cop even stopping and talking to a black person now is considered horrible racism. And probably speaking politely and respectfully would be considered patronizing or something. However you want to spin it. Police aren't here to be your friend. They are here to keep you safe. As evidenced in Dallas, they will even protect those so vehemently against them. But I personally don't think they should be obligated to show respect for people who don't respect themselves or others, which unfortunately, is a rather large percentage of some of these unfortunate communities where you probably wouldn't last a day.